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  1. Uncle Meat

    Uncle Meat Banned

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    I did and couldn't find it.

    Could you please provide a link.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    They probably can't get jobs because no one is willing to hire them.
     
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    they also tell their family and friends to come on over for the free lunch for all.....quite insulting actully...how they take advantage of our system!
     
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    Do you have the link to the report containing "85% after 5 years ..." etc. ?
     
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    That says:

    "85 per cent of humanitarian refugees are on Centrelink benefits within their first five years in Australia and only 31 per cent of these refugees were considered "employed" after five years. ".

    You said:

    " ... over 85% of these boat people arrivals are still sucking on the tax payer welfare tit after being here for over 5 years ... "




    So, that would mean 69% still on welfare after 5 years. Not over 85%, as you stated.

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    As soon as the females get here they fall pregnant, so their children will be classified as Australian residents, and with that COMES ALL the entitlements and benefits, including the family reunion scheme.

    Once the females arrive here they never work a day in their life (on the pensions straight away) - just used as breeding vessels for a new generation of Ghetto children that hate Australians.
     
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    I have no problem with people comming over for a better life as they contribute to our society. But as you said many just come for the free lunch as they have no intention of ever working, just collecting and sending money back home. Well...I guess it creates employment at the western union office LOL :)
     
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    Pathetic opinion, which you cannot support - I assume?
     
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    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427
     
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    No one without bias can herald any of these statistics as positive, and really points to one thing - they come here for the easy welfare payments so they can send some back home.
    That’s lovely; they come over here for a fee lunch and bludge off the Australian tax payer to keep and feed themselves and their families in another country without even lifting a finger in contributions.
     
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    So they risk their lives and the lives of their children, just to spend hours in the queue at Centrelink?
     
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    back in the 50's the europeans came over and they had to make it on their own.......no welfare, no healthcare and no free lunch...you sink or swim on your own.......thats the system that is needed again! At least then only the productive ones that want to work will come!
     
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    MORE than 60 per cent of refugees to Australia have failed to get a job after five years, according to a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Federal Government report into the humanitarian settlement program.

    And 83 per cent of those households now rely on welfare payments for income.

    The greatest unemployment rate was recorded among new arrivals from Iraq and Afghanistan, with less than one in 10 finding full-time work and 93.7 per cent of households receiving Centrelink payments.

    The statistics are contained in a Department of Immigration and Citizenship report released last Friday under the cover of the royal wedding.

    It is the first investigation into settlement of refugees in more than a decade.

    The study of more than 8500 humanitarian entrants revealed that only 31 per cent of humanitarian refugees were considered "employed" after five years.

    The remainder were unemployed, retired, studying full time, engaged in caring duties, doing voluntary work or trying to start a business from which they had yet to receive income.More than 60 per cent of those people without jobs had a poor command of English.

    "Humanitarian entrants are most likely to be unemployed, even after five years of settlement," the report said.

    "There needs to be a greater understanding of migrants' personal or household dependency on Centrelink payments."

    Statistics for skilled migrant intake and family migrant intake were more positive, with 84 per cent of skilled migrants working and a little over 50 per cent of the family migrants employed.

    The report did find positive outcomes for humanitarian entrants, with almost a quarter completing a trade or university qualification within five years of arriving.

    The Federal Opposition said the report was a "shocking wake-up call" for the Government's settlement services policy.

    "Low levels of employment, welfare dependency, lower income levels and poor English skills are a toxic social cocktail that can lead to enclaving and serious intergenerational social problems." Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said.

    Parliamentary Secretary for Citizenship Kate Lundy has said the Government was trying to improve conditions for refugees.

    "While the settlement outcomes for refugees improve over time, the report does find that there are difficulties, especially in the early years, in securing stable employment," she said.


    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...are-for-refugees/story-e6freuzr-1226050094427
     
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    Using that approach and methodology, in a way was essential for these new migrants in the 40's, 50's and 60s' to accept and fit into the present Australian culture.

    As you said, there was NO FREE lunch or hand-outs. Migrants worked side-by-side with Aussies in the fields and in the factories and then a drink in the pub after work on the way home, and that's were comradeship was born and forged.

    Its as plain as the nose on your face that these country shoppers want NOTHING to do with Australian society, and are only here for the welfare and what they can get.
     
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    also 50 years ago it was common to have a sponsor to pay any bills you might run into just in case you can't find a job or get sick.....not fare for the taxpayer to foot the bill!
     
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    We are compassionate people and help out those who need it. No harm in that.
     
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    remember something.....both canada and australia have small populations so it dont take much to swamp the system. If 1 million came over it can bankrupt both or countries!
     
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    To summarise ...

    This statement of your was incorrect:

    " ... over 85% of these boat people arrivals are still sucking on the tax payer welfare tit after being here for over 5 years ... " (I suspect it came from Andrew Bolt, and not yourself).

    Asylum seekers are legal, and the majority of them are granted genuine refugee status.
     
  23. culldav

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    YES, buts its also very psychologically easy to manipulate compassion from a person or society with a LIE as much as it is using the truth...

    One just has to use critical positive & negative analysis to understand the difference.
     
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    And you have done all that and determined that every refugee is a liar?
     
  25. culldav

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    I feel that 85% verses 83% is not that big a difference, but if you want to call it a "lie" then I will accept that that.
     
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