Body camera videos show 13-year-old Adam Toledo put hands up before fatal police shooting in Chicago

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  1. Space_Time

    Space_Time Well-Known Member

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    He was just 13 years old. Will this lead to rioting? Who's right and wrong here:
     
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    This cop is finished. As he should be.
     
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    pretty solid summary
     
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    No idea about rioting but I would have trouble, if on the jury, in deciding exactly how big the pile of cash I would awarding Toledo's family was going to be.
     
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    Two thoughts.

    Cop was angry and screwed up. He’s in trouble.

    For the kid, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
     
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    The cop was definitely wrong for pulling the trigger. The kid was wrong for having a gun in the first place. And his parents were wrong for raising a kid who was a criminal at 13. Everything in this story shows how wrong society is these days.
     
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    It's amazing the Arm Chair Quarterbacks who want to be Judge Jury and Executioner. First, the Police were responding to shots fired and this kid was running apparently with a Gun. Emotions are High! Chicago is an EXTREMELY Violent city and I've seen 13 year olds that are over 6' tall and look like adults. I wouldn't want to have the Job of a Police Officer for all the Money in China, because no matter what, they're judged guilty until all the facts are out. Split second decisions where a fraction of a second determines whether the Police officer or Criminal is shot for what has become a Thankless Jobs sucks. 15 Cops have been shot and killed in 2021, so the Moral of the Story is for Parents to control your Kids, because they can pull a Trigger just as easily as an adult.
    https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Gunfire&from=2021&to=2021&filter=nok9
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would think all posters reading this sob story noticed several things. First shot detectors had detected shots fired prior to the lad running. Running down the fence, clearly this lad was very tall. Compare him to the fence height. It was dark. The cop arrived with radio information he trusted. The last thing a young boy wants to do is run from cops. Cops do not know what the runner plans to do.
     
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    Everything is a race issue today. Moving forward this will only get worse as the country becomes even more diverse. It was easier before. Balkanization or re-segregation may be the only solution. Resegregation will never happen. States breaking away to become ethno states? Unlikely as well.
     
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    Here's the picture of the thug ABC chose to run with. It's like they want to see Chicago go up in flames.

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    Bullshit. If they didn't care they wouldn't respond in the first place. Stop hating people because you're told to.
     
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    I'm more than willing to acknowledge that Mayor Lightfoot failed Adam, just as she has failed many of the children of Chicago.
     
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    it was a thug running away with a gun
     
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    they have the greenlight on no national guard.
     
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    I suspect the kid raising his hands was misinterpreted as him bringing the gun up. I think the officer can kiss goodbye to his career but given the circumstances avoid prosecution.
     
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    Would you bet your life that someone you knew had a gun dropped it on that dark street in this split second?

    I wouldn't.
     
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    In this case, the cop ordered the kid to stop running. He complied.
    The cop told him to put his hands up. He complied.
    He had nothing in his hands, but got executed anyways.


    Cops simply don't care shooting an unarmed black kid that complies.
    And we're not talking about what would you do.
    We're talking about cops who were extensively trained to deal with this in the right way.
    People are fed up seeing black people being treated like 2nd class, with zero accountability.

    The question is more:
    What would you want, if your personally got executed like that when fully complying?
    Let the cop kill a family member again just like that with impunity? Don't make me laugh.
     
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    A bad set of circumstances all the way around....as for it leading to rioting, uh, you do note that he's not exactly the right, uh, shall we say "martyr" BLM is lookin' for.
     
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    first, are the 2 comments above in bold based upon your personal friendship or relationship with several policemen?

    Next, do you realize that your <COMMENT EDITED> comments are based upon the headlines that you choose to hear or listen, in other words, a narrative?

    And think of this, for years, if you exit your house out the back door, a flock of birds always craps on your head 9 out of 10 times but, if you leave out the front door, it happens 1 out of 10 times.

    Which door would you be weary of using to exit?
     
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    There is nothing wrong with the headlines. There is something wrong with the picture used of the previous poster, since it makes it appear the cop shot a kid who could maybe be doing something with a possible weapon. That is totally misleading. This pic clearly shows what decided the cop to shoot... it's seeing a black kid, unarmed, not running as been told, with his hands up as been told. This pic is the exact moment of the completely irrational split dissension of: I got to shoot for my safety. Not the other pic.
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    It really is 9 out of 10 times, when you read a story like this... that the cop is white and the person killed in a horrific and totally avoidable or unreasonable way... is black. While there is no door available that gets it to 1 out of 10 times, because the system and the general white public refuses to acknowledge this.


    All it got so far, is cops being made to wear body camera's. They got made to do so, to show their total lack of judgement with deadly consequences despite extensive training... specifically against African Americans.
     
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    It was a thug running with a gun ordering a kid to stop running and put his hands up.
    He did, and so it was easy for the thug to execute the kid on the spot.

    We can't have thugs running the streets like this.
     
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    Are you sure you know the difference between Black and Latino?
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    So the parents, or their community, gave this precious child a gun to play with at night, and the cop may have suffered from Saccadic masking, something that happens quite often during the light of day resulting in cars pulling out and hurting bikers..., and especially at night images get blurred...the brain in all it's flaws sees a floater in the early morning but not during the day or corrects for the retina burn of a welder by filling it in...

    Who is right and wrong here, most likely the Parents and their entire community.
     
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    Are you sure you're not nitpicking on race deflecting away with the actions of the police?

    The police claiming that the kid refused to respond to verbal command, posing an imminent thread and so he got shot.
    That is how the cops put it down on paper.
     

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