Boeing 737 Max, software problems and Indian engineers.

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    I dont watch your bullshit movies.

    And no, i dont carve something in my forehead. I dont even have a tattoo. Im not into that ****.

    And i dont want use a bioweapon to clean the fatherland. I said we can use bioweapons to defend ourself in case of a war. In selfdefense evrything is allowed.
     
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    Sure, but I'm talking about in the context of the MAX needing MCAS. I find it inconceivable that they weren't taught what the aerodynamics of the MAX are in the absence of MCAS how to manually correct the aerodynamic instability in the case that MCAS fails.
     
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    The problem is that we don't know how much of their defense is NATO related.
     
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    It's not about NATO related spending it's about countries that are in an organization pulling their own weight so they can defend themselves so that other members don't have t carry the weight to defend others.
     
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    But it did not need MCAS to fly. MCAS was installed so the Max would fly like the original 737. Without MCAS on the Max pilots would have to limit the nose up attitude to prevent the engine nacelles from creating unwanted nose up attitude. Pilots would need to keep a close watch on the ADI during takeoff.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attitude_indicator
     
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    By designing a bioweapon to kill a specific group of people you've already determined who your enemy will be.
     
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    Where's the button the pilot pushes which completely disengages the software and puts the pilot in complete command of the aircraft again?
     
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    We developed a technology called CRISPR/CAS. With that technology you can program a virus to change DNA. This means we can cure DNA related diseases.


    Its also tested to attack cancer cells. This means if you have cancer, they take a samble of the cancer. Sequence its DNA and program the CRISPR/CAS Virus regarding that DNA. Once the Virus is injected into the body, it starts to attack all cells with that specific DNA and not just that, it markers those Cells, so the immune system itself attacks that cells.

    Its in early stage of tests but very promising.

    Now you can also use this thing as a weapon.

    You can use it as weapon to kill a specific person. Get a DNA sample and then program the Virus accordingly. Or you can use it as a sword against an enemy nation. Lets say Germany gets attacked by Russia. Russians tend to have haplo groups that dont exist in Europe. Once set free the Virus cuts them down while not harming someone who doesnt have the specific DNA programmed as target group.

    Same counts for USA. You have a very broad DNA diversity but very much of you have at least 1% native american DNA.

    As you see, such a weapon is flexible. We developed it for good but can use it as weapon as well.

    What does this say to you? Dont attack a hyper advanced nation. And for this very reason USA, Germany, France, UK, China, Japan, South Korea, Canada and Australia are untouchable.

    All those nations have the ability to destroy evrything if needed. And because of that, we stay friends. :)


    As for the 737, Europe might push the grounding to 2020. We dont trust Boeing and found more issues with the aircraft.
     
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    There is none. They even did not teach pilots, that this software actually exists.
     
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    The proliferation of complexity reached the level of insanity.
     
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    No, actually it is a boeing specific problem. Boeing got hunted by Airbus and because of this hurried to modernize their old 737. To get a few sells, they said Pilots need no training and just read a handout.
     
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    So the working theory is that these crashes occurred to MCAS failing, right?
     
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    The problem is that pilots would have to know that it is a software issue which is causing their flight problem.
     
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    I believe that is what happened. And the only way to correct the problem would be to first set the elevator trim tabs to neutral then deactivating the system. Both planes crashed within minutes after takeoff which is when the nose up attitude is at it's greatest angle.
     
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    I'm really not interested in hearing you defend your bioweapon. As for Boeing I really don't care what Europe does with it's 737s. As for the other issue it is a light that tells the pilots when the aircraft is in a stall condition. Pilots don't need that light if they are properly trained in the symptoms of a stall condition. As a former C130 loadmaster we trained regularly in recognizing a stall condition by pitching the nose up and pulling back on the throttles. The aircraft will start to shutter. It's really a no brainer and another bell and whistle is not necessary.
     
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    If the issue is not solved almost instantaneously by the software, push the button to dump the software away from all controls, and fly it by stick and rudder using human skills only and the hydraulic actuators.

    I realize they're moving toward pilotless aircraft, but meanwhile there is a human pilot who should have total command of the aircraft, and not be a mere bystander in the experiment.
     
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    The problem with that would be that software would be dumped from flight systems which are not causing the problem and considering that any active pilot today has been flying with the aid of computers for the entirety or at least the vast majority of their career, flying 'offline' could make matters worse and make it harder to recover from the flight issue. Now, if it was possible to dump the software away from MCAS after discovering that MCAS was to blame, then that would be a different matter, and could've helped. However, not only did such a function not exist, the pilots didn't even know that MCAS existed!
     
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    And deactivating MCAS wasn't a function was it? If there was such a function, then pilots may have known that MCAS actually existed!
     
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    English is not my native tongue. I partly stay here from time to time in order not to lose the skills completely... Sometimes, I can misuse words or make funny misprints...
    I meant Ilon Mask and his electric cars - project as an example of huge hysteria around the stock market and very humble actual results with dramatic financial results and debatable quality.
    As for welfare I mean the 'level of living'. It's very often in developed countries that the people who don't work as hard as they think they do or make that much intellectual input a s they think they do, but these people live next to people who really do so and see their way of living. This makes the people who don't actually deeserve high standards to demand it from government or businessmen.
     
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    Ilon MUSK?
     
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    MCAS was designed as a behind the scene passive system and most likely can only be turned off by pulling the circuit breaker. I guess if airlines knew MCAS existed and why then they would also know Boeing was not being truthful when it said the Max flew like a typical 737.
     
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    "push the button to dump the software away from all controls?" I didn't know there was such a button on aircraft.
     
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    The button that returns command of the aircraft to the pilot doesn't exist. That's the point. Now they're saying this poorly engineered monstrosity of an aircraft will not fly again until 2020. Because of software. Are you kidding me?

    The first successful commercial passenger jet aircraft, the Boeing 707 (first put in service by Pan American in 1958), did not have a crash with passengers killed until 1961.

    They should study the history of the 707 and adopt the philosophy of how that aircraft was put into service. Science has gone astray and backwards.
     
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    It was introduced into service in 1958, too late to edit and correct the smiley face which was caused by a closed parentheses after the 8.
     
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    The AP can still be manually deactivated allowing pilots to control the aircraft. I have no problem with computer controlled systems that allow pilots to take a break on long flights. Boeing should have been more forthcoming on MCAS. Pilots should have been trained in taking off with MCAS active and inactive so they could better understand the system and why it was incorporated into the 737 Max. The 707 is a great aircraft. John Travolta flew into Puerto Rico a few years back and I refueled it. But comparing the 707 to todays modern aircraft is like saying the 60's-70's muscle cars' technology is better than todays modern muscle car technology. We know that is certainly not true. With a greater flying population than the days the 707s flew most modern aircraft fly more flights hours and passengers in the say time the 707's did.
     

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