Bolton doesn't matter! Time to wrap this up!!

Yes really.

Biden negotiated with a foreign leader on behalf of Obama in an attempt to fight corruption.

Trump negotiated directly with a foreign leader in an attempt to fight corruption.

Yeah. Big difference there.

I agree. Biden's negotiation has no impact on Trump's. I'm only trying to understand your bank robbing analogy. Both used foreign aid as leverage in negotiation. Did Biden rob the bank or not?

 

The voters of the united states did not get to find out the truth behind operation fast and furious, as Barack Obama exerted executive privilege over documents related to what was supposedly a scheme of low-level ATF agents. Why should this matter be regarded as any different?

 

It's not. It is just one more tidbit in the Democrats' garbage heap that allows them to ballyhoo, "We really got him this time!"..... as opposed to the 40-11 previous times.

 

no, not really.

with international support.

incorrect. trump solicited a foreign government to announce a fake investigation against his domestic political rival.

correct, HUGE difference.

I'm pointing out that the argument being made, that biden did something illegal is an excuse for trump to do it too, is invalid.

 

Yuh huh.

That's quite an alternative set of facts. You're going to have to provide some sort of evidence that Trump wanted the government to conduct a fake investigation. Do you have any? You should tell the Democrats if you do, because they certainly haven't provided any.

There is zero difference between Biden negotiating with a foreign leader, acting on behalf of Obama, and Trump negotiating with a foreign leader on his own behalf.

I did not make the argument that Biden gave anyone an excuse to do something illegal. You've made the claim that bank robbery is illegal regardless of motive. It's quite clear that your only distinction between Biden's behavior and Trump's is motive. You claim Biden's motive was good, and Trump's motive was illegal. So did Biden rob the bank?

If Biden didn't rob the bank, then Trump didn't rob the bank and motive is irrelevant, just as you claim.

If Biden did rob the bank, you're going to have to claim that motive DOES matter. That leaves you with the impossible task of proving that Trump's motive was illegal. That's going to be especially hard given the reality that support for the investigation that Trump called for has repeatedly received bipartisan support. People on both sides think it would be a good idea to figure out exactly what happened. Beyond that, you can't charge someone with a crime for doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

Don't you want to know if the potential Democratic candidate was involved in what is alleged?

 

nope

it's proven reality.

trump wanted zelensky to announce an investigation, not investigate

I've already shown you the difference. Biden acted at the behest of the president, and his foreign policy, with international support to have a corrupt prosecutor removed. Trump solicited a foreign government to help him in the 2020 election against a domestic political rival.

if you wish to intentionally distort what I'm posting, I can't help you.

 

As Joe Biden has not received the nomination from the democrat party for their candidate for the upcoming election of president of the united states, he simply cannot be considered a political rival. It does not work that way.

 

he is the front runner, so of course it works that way. He was openly campaigning for the presidency, and was leading in the polls.

 

Reminds me of domestic problems in which the man beats the crap out of the woman, over and over again, and when confronted by friends or police, the man says he didn't do anything and the woman won't say anything because she fears for her well-being. This is precisely what is happening with Trump and the Ukrainian president. It's common sense how the public can get to the bottom of this; arrest...trial...punishment.

You do know that during 2016, 2017, and 2018, at any time during this period, Trump and the Justice Dept. could have investigated Biden(s)...but ask yourself why they didn't? Didn't seem to be an issue until Biden became a political threat.

You also should know that during this same time period, Trump and the Justice Dept. could have at any time started an investigation into corruption in Ukraine yet they didn't?

And, surely you know, that any time since Trump came into office, up through today, the US Justice Dept. could have, or can today, on their own separate from impeachment, subpoena the Biden's if they truly believe there is reason to do so? Why do you suppose Trump and Justice refuses to do this?

 

Contrary to your fantasy, mind reading is not a fact. Trump might live rent free in your mind, but you have no factual idea what's in his.

Your entire argument depends on what Trump was thinking. What he was thinking doesn't matter. What matters is what he did. What he did was exactly what Biden did. He used foreign aid as leverage to fight corruption.

You keep telling me why Biden did what he did. That's a motive. Motive is irrelevant according to you, remember? You refuse to say that Biden robbed the bank, so Trump didn't either.

 

I have no idea what you think this is addressing?

no, it depends upon what he did. We have the call transcript itself, 17 first hand witnesses, and trump himself admitting what he did.

already proven this false.

intentionally distorting what I am posting is extremely dishonest, and quite pathetic.

 

That bomb shell witness is nothing but a dud. He said the same thing Trump said in a European interviewer. To come out now after being fired and saying something else is sour grapes. I think the Senate will vote Fri and throw it all out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1222561157254385665

 

No Bolton didn't. He said the same thing Trump said. Even more. He said the administration was worried about corruption in Ukraine, the one thing the Left said Trump left out.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1222561157254385665