Bombshell: Nunes Says There Was "Incidental Surveillance" Of Trump During Obama Administration PT.2

There is a difference between being wrong about statements of opinion, and making either deliberate and or false statements of fact.

Conservatives in media and on this forum do that all the time.

 

That's exactly what he did. He did it to try and change the narrative that he's a Russian patsy who conned a bunch of morons into voting for him. How many lies and how much failure do trump apologists need to stomach before they realize they were fooled?

 

I realize that you almost certainly have never been appointed or volunteered to serve on a committee or commission.

If you had, you would understand the role and the need to communicate with your colleagues and act in concert or at least in concensus.

Nunes betrayed to confidence of his colleagues by running to the person they were investigating. He did not consult his colleagues. He did not ask for their approval. He did not notify them of what he was doing.

He acted alone. In so doing, he betrayed the trust of his colleagues and put them in a position where they would have to account for his behavior, without knowing anything at all about what he was doing. The subsequent revalation that he apparantly did brief some if not all the Republicans on the committee end any hope that this Committee can be trusted to conduct any sort of impartial investigation.

 

Thing is, you're justifying a lie on the basis of another. There's no suggestion that he's a "Russian" anything, much less a patsy (whatever that is), yet you and many other Trumpaphobes justify his wiretapping "invention" on the basis he's deflecting from something that is also completely false.

And even if it wasn't false, it wouldn't make any more sense that he wakes up one day and invents a far-fetched conspiracy. That's still nonsense. And now we have the Nuñes stuff, which adds a lot of weight to the direction of the President's allegations.

What likely did happen here is that the President got wind of surveillance at Trump Tower and immediately called it as wiretapping by Obama. Probably an overstatement, but he was always in the right ballpark.

 

Clearly, you've put his birther nonsense out of your mind. All he does, in between duping rubes into thinking he'e competent, is make things up. As long as the focus is on some made up lie, it's not on his incompetence or his campaign's obvious involvement with the Russians.

Equally as clear, you fell for it.

 

I never had that belief from the beginning, but for opposite reasons: I believe it to be a witch hunt, and therefore the Committee's very existence(as well as the Russian Conspiracy talking point) has kept Congress from its work.

Back during the Obama Administration, the Democrats called this obstruction. But if we're to say anything about Republicans, at least their obstruction was simply 'doing nothing'. This is pure hatred of Donald Trump. Even if a special commission is appointed and finds nothing, will you give legitimacy to Trump?

Probably not.

 

Not wanting the President of my country to use social media like a drunken Millennial is considered backlash now? OK. Show me anywhere where I said I wanted Trump to fail. I'm not like the right. I want to be proven wrong.

 

That's an offense to every non-drunk Millennial. That said, yes it'd be nice if Trump grew up I agree with you. Social media can be a positive outlet though, in non-Trump hands.

 

Your post makes no sense.

The House Intelligence Committee is a standing committee. It exists whether or not there is an investigation of Trump going on or not.

 

Fair play with the birther stuff, but it's been stated that there's no evidence for what you call "obvious involvement". I'm pretty sure you know this. I mean, Trumpaphobes seem to want it both ways: that he's an idiot, but that he's also a criminal mastermind who stole the election with his "Russian connections". Fact is he's a super-smart lad who's often given to hyperbole. He's not been banging prostitutes in Russian hotels (where did that British spy who "outed" him get to?), he's not been criminal-masterminding his way through the dark corridors of Russian power, and he very likely was the victim of at least second-hand surveillance. All of which leaves him looking vindicated and his silly media opponents looking castrated.

 

Yes, it exist and is doing an investigation, here's their latest press release..


March 22, 2017

At our open hearing on Monday, I encouraged anyone who has information about relevant topics—including surveillance on President-elect Trump or his transition team—to come forward and speak to the House Intelligence Committee. I also said that, while there was not a physical wiretap of Trump Tower, I was concerned that other surveillance activities were used against President Trump and his associates.

· I recently confirmed that, on numerous occasions, the Intelligence Community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition.

· Details about U.S. persons associated with the incoming administration—details with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value—were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting.

· I have confirmed that additional names of Trump transition team members were unmasked.

· To be clear, none of this surveillance was related to Russia or any investigation of Russian activities or of the Trump team.

The House Intelligence Committee will thoroughly investigate this surveillance and its subsequent dissemination to determine:

· Who was aware of it

· Why it was not disclosed to Congress

· Who requested and authorized the additional unmasking

· Whether anyone directed the intelligence community to focus on Trump associates; and

· Whether any laws, regulations, or procedures were violated

I’ve asked the Directors of the FBI, NSA, and CIA to expeditiously comply with my March 15 letter, and to provide a full account of these surveillance activities. I informed Speaker Ryan this morning of this new information, and I will be going to the White House this afternoon to share what I know with the President.

 

First, Obama campaigned against his political opposition. Even put his legacy on the line in his fail.

Second, the evidence has been promised this week.

Third, Obama's spying is under investigation.

 

fourth, Nunez has said it happened as part of overall general surveillance. Nunez learned from trump. slop the hogs then get back to reality.

 

Fifth, Obama has said the allegations are totally false.

 

Well I can't compare that since I don't recall you ever stating a fact.

 

Except of course that there is no actual evidence of surveillance of Trump Tower except in the " mind" of our delusional President.

On the other hand we do have Flynn and Manifordt which is actually solid evidence. And more to come.

 

You might have a point if this had anything at all to do with the Russian investigation.

 

He is not a criminal mastermind. He's a fool who needed someone to back his deals, and he wasn't' too choosy about the company he kept, as long as he gets what he wants.

 

Hardly. He's an idiot who was played and/or blackmailed into being a Russian stooge. He had a lot of trouble getting money lent to him because of his numerous bankruptcies, and the russians were only too willing to have an idiot like him who only needed his ego stroked.

Standard trump apologist shtick to cover for the idiot in chief who speaks at a 3rd grade level and says stupid things.

 

The Nuñes statement is pretty categoric.

 

Quite right. There's no evidence. It was never likely, and the intelligence report said there was none. Which clouds are you seeing this in? You know you're making it up.

 

Summary from Spicer:



It's pretty categoric, surveillance of the Trump team and nothing on the "Russia conspiracy".

How is MSNBC going to extract themselves from this one?

 

First, Obama was not running for public office, although a lot of Trumpsters seem to be confused on that point.

Second, no one promised evidence last week. Evidence may have surfaced, which may be why Nunes ran to Donald Trump without telling anyone other than a few Republcians on his committee what he was doing, and why he apoligized for not discussing the matter the next day, only to turn around and do it again the very next day.

 

I would have a point if he was discussing a restaurant tab.

Committees conduct their business as a whole, and are judged as a whole. When one member goes rogue and talks to the person they're investigating and goes and talks to the press without his colleagues knowing what is going on, that undermines the entire committee.

No member of that committee has any legitimate reason to trust the chairman at all. And since the Chairman revealed nothing, did not actually possess the documents he claimed to have seen, and left his colleagues standing around wondering what is going on, he has pretty much destroyed his own credibility.

There is also no reason to believe that this has nothing to do with the Russian investigation, no matter how hard Trumpster try and parse things.

 

So the FBI is investigating him and his campaign personnel for shits and giggles? Just because you desperately hope there is nothing there doesn't mean there's nothing there.