BOOM! Trump Slams Socialism At UN General Assembly — Faces Silence and Audible Gasps

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  1. Margot2

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    Rich quaff champagne while middle class scavenges for food | Daily ...

    www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Super-rich-quaff-champagne-Venezuela-country-club-middle-c...
    Jun 16, 2016 - Venezuela's super-rich are enjoying lavish parties and gourmet ... Scavengers: Food shortages across Venezuela mean that ordinary middle-class families have ... Oblivious: 'It's not that we don't care about the poor people.

    The problem is VZ has NO middle class........
     
  2. Mandelus

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    But in your statement is not the thought that the US has caused most of these conflicts or at least fueled them ... for which you blame this rest of the world?

    Let's just take the ISIS as an example, because they did not exist before 2006! Where was the ISIS resigned and after what happened?
    It originated in Iraq and after the US unjustly attacked Saddam in 2003 and hunted out of office .... and especially because the US for the time after the purely military victory over the Iraqi forces showed a total incompetence and disability!

    Cause: unauthorized, even criminal attack on a country and incompetence thereafter to ensure a stable new order

    Result: A survey of a terrorist group, which is now acting in a world wide manner, which is not only attacking the USA!

    Guilt: Well, who is guilty, eh?
     
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    Americans forget because it is convenient to do so. They prefer to blame Saudi Arabia.

    Funny, we are myopic about many issues.. This week its healthcare.
     
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    Propaganda? Are you serious?

    O man ...
    Donald Rumsfeld, the Ex US Secretary of Defense, was in the board of management of technology giant ABB, when thye won an invitation to tender for the supply of two nuclear power plants to North Korea and he personally agreed for it! So, what is propaganda again?

    it is really incredible who few some people know ... or maybe ignore to know if uncomfortable fact!

    Facts:

    1. Clinton has agreed with North Korea the end of the nuclear program under certain conditions.

    2. North Korea has adhered to the agreement. The nuclear program was stopped. All parties have confirmed this.

    3. The US has broken the treaty at every point. North Korea was NOT removed from the terrorist list. North Korea was NOT supplied with nuclear fuel for the nuclear reactors. The light water reactors were NOT built by the USA. Relations were NOT normalized and sanctions were NOT lifted. All this, however, was promised by the United States to happen.

    4. North Korea needs these reactors to produce and supply electricity to the population.

    5. North Korea waited patiently, but after more than 10 years he has restarted his nuclear program because Washington did not deliver what was promised in 1994 ..

    6. The US intensified the sanctions against North Korea and reintroduced the leadership as "the evil" par excellence.

    7. The relations between the two countries were then ended again completely in 2002 ... and when did not just the development of nuclear weapons, but also of the missiles once again? 2004!
     
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    Oh no.....that was you playing like you didn't understand English. You get what you give.

    His fans may have loved it after they heard it and it was reported on.. But it was clear that Trump was speaking to those overseas. Especially those socialists and the wannabes.

    I like the part about many of his fans being Democrats that dropped their flag and are riding with him. They're the ones who gave him the win. I like it even better that the majority of those Demos are sticking with him and giving up the Demo party.
     
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    what kind of moron would expect a US president to not rant about their hatred for socialism? the past few decades are full of too many crimes against humanity committed by the US in the interest of cold war realpolitik for anyone to expect otherwise
     
  8. MMC

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    He can't figure out that N Korea started cheating on Bilbo Clinton the day after his deal. Moving to the Uranium. Even Clintons people admitted it. Even had to build 2 light water reactors for Lil Kim.

    Margot tried that yesterday with Rumsfield and was shown the link. So as usual was wrong again.
     
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    LMAO.....N Korea did not adhere to the agreement and even admitted to cheating the very next day.

    Oh and btw......It was BILBO Clinton who promised to build 2 light water reactors for lil Kim.


    Clinton’s deal was called the Agreed Framework. In contrast to the detailed and lengthy agreement negotiated in 2015 under President Barack Obama intended to restrain Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the Agreed Framework, struck in 1994, was only a few pages long.

    Essentially, an international consortium planned to replace the North’s plutonium reactor with two light-water reactors; in the meantime, the United States would supply the North with 500,000 tons of heavy fuel oil every year to make up for the theoretical loss of the reactor while the new ones were built.

    So how did North Korea get its hands on the nuclear material? George W. Bush became president in 2001 and was highly skeptical of Clinton’s deal with North Korea. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell was even slapped down when he suggested the administration would follow the path set by the Clinton administration. The new administration terminated missile talks with Pyongyang and spent months trying to develop its own policy.

    Then intelligence agencies determined that North Korea was cheating on the agreement by trying to develop nuclear material through another method — highly enriched uranium. The Bush administration sent an envoy who confronted North Korea — and the regime was said to have belligerently confirmed it in 2002, just as the Bush administration was mostly focused on the pending invasion of Iraq.

    In response, the Bush administration terminated the supply of fuel oil that was essential to the agreement — and then North Korea quickly kicked out the U.N. inspectors, restarted the nuclear plant and began developing its nuclear weapons, using the material in radioactive fuel rods that previously had been under the close watch of the IAEA. Japan and South Korea, the key partners in the accord, were not happy with the decision to terminate the Agreed Framework, but there was little they could do about it.

    (Toward the end of the negotiations, the Bush administration learned that North Korea had helped Syria build a nuclear facility, which was destroyed by Israeli warplanes. Bush kept negotiating, even though North Korea in theory had crossed a “red line” set by Bush in 2003 that it could not transfer nuclear technology to other parties.)

    Interestingly, former Clinton administration officials have said they knew North Korea was cheating on the uranium enrichment front dating back to 1998 and planned to use that intelligence as leverage to keep the Agreed Framework in place and the plutonium under lock and key. Other Clinton administration officials will also concede that they never thought they would have to build the light-water reactors because they assumed, wrongly, that the regime would collapse before the reactors would be built.....snip~

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...north-korea-deal-fail/?utm_term=.9e0f6e40330b

    Yo.....that's called History Mandelus. Try learning it before talking all that nonsense. Time for you to get better talking points from those leftists in Germany.
     
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    Eh-hem!!!!
    There was and agreement done by Clinton and Bush throw it into the garbage as soon as he went into White House -Fact!
    ABB delivered the plants and was Clinton in board of management of ABB? No!


    Wrong! See my post again and you read the real fact...

    Because they still had at this time, but were willing o exchange it to the light water reactors?
    And yes, the only one here to blame is the Bush government!

    You mean these same agencies who delivered proof of WMD's which Saddam still should have to reason this criminal attack on him in 2003 based on a mountain high staple of lies?
    EHm ... OK, very good and trustful source who declared that NK was cheating I must say! You find more likely any truth in fairy tales for kids!

    And who is to blame for this all again? The guy sitting in White House before Obama!

    Yo ... that's called twisted BS but not history what you delivered here MMC! Try to learn facts and not to repeat official BS of proofed liars next time and declare their nonsense as fact!

    The only truth in this last past of your answer is the reactor in Syria ... rest is nonsense proofed by fact!
     
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    Reaganesque.

    Reagan...who made 'liberal' such a dirty word, they rebranded themselves 'progressives'
     
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    Try again Mandelus, and note those references at the bottom of the link I used. This way you can learn the truth and the history. Then look at the fact checkers.

    Oh and an FYI. Save the Iraq BS for when the topic is about Iraq. N Korea is a completely different issue.
     
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    MMC, really now?

    Evidence and facts for this please? So you say IAEO is cheating too when they confirmed that nuclear program was on hold as promised?

    Yes, 2 light water reactors and who agreed and signed it as member of board of management of the building company again? Rumsfeld!
    And the rest of the promises? Ehm ... better silence about, eh?

    Very lame when you repeat the BS of the Bush administration that NK had not fulfilled as reason not to fulfill the US promises with same sources who declared that Saddam had in 2003 a bunch of WMD's as reason to attack him. Very trustworthy I must say!!!

    Evidence please? Is it again the same source who declared Saddam has a bunch of WMD's?

    CONCLUSION:
    Take these blinders from your eyes
    and try not only to read the sources and to be true that you like and your preconceived opinion ... but everything else that does not fit let out. and declaring as irrelevant
     
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    Conclusion......Mandelus doesn't like links with references. Nor does he Like Clinton Officials and N Korea admitting what they did about cheating. Blowed his Bush jr blame game Right out the water. :lol:
     
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    Conclusion: Mandelus likes facts and not BS ...

    As I still told ... read all sources and not only those you like ... Keyword: "The Agreed Framework"

    The Agreement entitled "The Agreed Framework" clearly demonstrates the weakness of the contract. Under Article IV, it was promised to assist North Korea with its nuclear energy program, when it undertook, in return, to cease the nuclear weapons program and to remain a member of the nuclear arms treaty. The United States should supply light water reactors for this. It was only after this project had been completed that North Korea should allow all IAEA inspections.

    And had this project being completed? No! So what evil did Kim again not to allow IAEA inspections = not fulfilling agreement as the following Bush administration told?



    Which former Clinton administration officials please?

    About the rest read this...

    Instead of the US, South Korea was to maintain supplies until 2003 and pay the lion's share, although North Korea did not want it at the beginning. The US simply wanted to pay a minimal portion of the costs and supply North Korea with oil. But then the US did not want to pay its contribution to the construction costs any more. The construction was delayed and the need for inspections urged. However, the date provided for in the agreement had not yet been reached.

     
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    Actually, that's not true.

    The effort to brand "liberal" a dirty word was a very specific campaign run by conservative consultant Frank Luntz around 1990.

    Prior to that, being a liberal was a compliment. Liberals want better lives for everyone, not just the pampered few (and the fools who believe that if you let the pampered few have it their way more will trickle down to the rubes).

    Ronald Reagan was a New Deal Democrat until he decided to forsake peddling GE appliances and 20 Mule Team Borax in favor of shilling for the AMA.
     
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    No doubt.

    The left in America circa 2017 is socialist.
     
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    After the cheating was discovered.....one can see why the US wouldn't put in any more money.
     
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    True: liberals want better lives for everyone.

    False: the way to do that is through more government.
     
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    I'd say the Left more Marxist Socialist......part and parcel with the violence that comes with it.
     
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    Hmm.... Bernays and Goebbels would be clapping in approval of your statement. In fact your friend Lil Kim the rocket man will probably send you a case of his favorite booze as soon as one of his slaves reads and reports it to him.
     
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    No they aren't Socialists.. All of us should be concerned about the shrinking middle class.Our country won't survive if all the wealth belongs to 5% of the population. When that happens you become Venezuela.. Trump absolutely doesn't care about Americans. The only thing that impresses him is money and celebrity.
     
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    What liberal wants a better life for the rich and wealthy? :lol:
     
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    You planning to respond or
     
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    Nice to see other countries like wasting time as much as American do :roflol:
     

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