Border agent killed, partner injured by illegal immigrants using rocks

Is that on the table and being discussed? Because if not then it is not really relevant to the conversation. Besides even if you did cut welfare I guarantee those people would not choose seasonal migratory farm work as their profession.

 

We are trying, but sanctuary cities and now state are fighting us tooth and nail in the courts. Maybe if Democrats joined us and quit giving illegals sanctuary we could get something done. There are status quo Republicans that are just as bad, and I’d love to see them primaried.

 

How about this?

Round up illegals and repeat offenders serve one year of hard labor picking produce. The “illegal” labor pool will taper off and farmers will have a couple of years to hire legal workers. We could use parolees to work 4 days per week until they find employment. They can work Saturdays and have 2 week days to job hunt every week.

We need to think outside the box.

 

Build the wall, yes.
Manage transgressors there, on the spot. No extensive "due process" inside.

NO to deportation without cause more than being illegal.
But, that's just Moi.

 

Maybe you should complain the cops are looking the other way when companies employ illegals.

 

We can deport any and all after DNA and photograph IDs are kept upon arrest for anything over a class B mistomeanor and bar them for life from entering the country. We can deny all government aid to any immagrants not legally here. Deny education without proof of legal status.

Much of this wouldn't cost much. And they wouldn't want to come here.

 

You can obviously 'bar them for life from entering the country' in the legal sense, but can that measure physically prevent them from entering? I think not. And in the case of drugs traffickers and other felons, they wouldn't need 'government aid'? To them, government aid (by which I assume you mean welfare payments?) would be peanuts compared to their criminal activity returns? In short, until you think up a way to make it not worth their while to enter the US, trust me - they'll just keep on coming.

 

well i was thinking more Along the lines of the average joes. It will be easier once the wall is built

 

It it is a U.S. government that creates special programs and welfare for illegal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants are people, people always search for better life.

 

I’m looking for a better life. Why do I owe it to illegals?

 

That is a what the government wants, for whatever reason. Almost no one in U.S. is questioning why men owe something to women or why European Americans owe anything to African Americans. Why special rights are allowed by law, event if it contradicts principles of equality declared in U.S. Constitution. You allowed special rights once you owe it forever. The government will always invent new categories of offended population and you always going to be responsible for their well being. That is how government always keeps its power without fear to be overthrown by people.

 

Yes, but where there are finite resources, such as housing, and social and health services, the pressures on those limited resources become so impossible to meet that it isn't very long before everybody will be searching for a better life? And one day, one of them might be you??

 

I’m not talking about race or any other protected class. I’m talking about supporting criminals and putting their welfare above mine. Our borders are supposed to be sovereign and our government has a Constitutional responsibility to secure them. American culture is being lost to invaders.

 

This is a matter of special rights, if you agree with Affirmative Actions you by default agree to provide welfare to illegal immigrants.

 

No one care about resources, the government can take all your resources if necessary to provide help to illegal immigrants.
That is a main point, you are attacking people for being people that creates more hate in the society, that in turn makes government stronger.

 

It's not the government's job to provide workers to business

 

Then I guess I am consistent. I don’t agree with affirmative action. Promotion should be based solely on performance. I was talking about discrimination and not favoritism. Citizens are being discriminated against in favor of criminals who should not be here in the first place.

 

I'm not attacking people, I'm simply pointing out the problems brought about by there being too many of them? Unfortunately liberals and the pious don't understand that theorum, as you have so plainly proved.

 

It is the governments job to insure our borders are protected and that immigration is done in a proper way. Why would it not be their job to let in people we need and keep out people that would hurt us?

 

I don't mind proper immigration.
Workers for business is not their concern.

 

Define proper then? I dont know what we are debating.

 

I have one objection; well it is not an objection more than an observation: if illegals were not wanted by governments on all levels, from local to federal, they would not be here. On top of this, the illegals are here to thwart any potential economic advancement for a certain segment of the population of these United States of [North] America.

 

Why would you think something like this? I seriously doubt that President Trump would order, much less orchestrate, the murders of personnel hired to guard the very southern border of this country that he is advocating a wall to be built. Seriously, do you have something wrong with you, maybe a tummy ache or something?

 

Unfortunately we, as in the citizens and denizens alike, are already at the point of what the illegals are supposedly running from. Visit youtube and watch cold case file videos as well as crime videos and you will see why I made the statement.

 

Reform may be your goal Crawdadr but the reality beyond emotionalism is more loss of employment to the point that even the majority population is being adversely impacted by the so-called guess-workers is the result of unrestricted and unbridled immigration.