Boris Johnson loses crucial vote in Parliament, Brexit set to be delayed

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  1. Egoboy

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    The prime minister's Brexit plan is torn to shreds by rebellious lawmakers who oppose leaving the European Union without a deal.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost a key vote in the House of Commons on Tuesday after lawmakers used an obscure procedural motion to wrest control of the parliamentary agenda from the government in a bid to stop a "no deal" Brexit.

    The vote was 328-301, with 21 members of Johnson's Conservative Party rebelling and supporting the motion. They can now expect to be kicked out of the party.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ote-parliament-brexit-set-be-delayed-n1049081

    I honestly didn't follow the BREXIT vote when it happened, but looking at it now, I don't believe the UK should leave the EU.

    There are some who say electing Trump and the BREXIT vote are "one and the same"... If that's the case, both countries are clearly having buyers remorse...

    Recent polling in the UK indicates BREXIT would fail a second vote and it sounds like BREXIT on 10/31/19 is unlikely to happen now.

    Boy, I sure wish the US could vote to call for a "snap election"...

    Finally, isn't the UK having a PM named Boris a little too close to home after Russia impacted the BREXIT vote to begin with??

    Thoughts?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thwarting the will of the people is the EU and left leaning globalist modus operandi.
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    The 'will of the people' changes, sometimes from year to year... For something this important, you gotta be sure the country wants it, since Russia was involved in that vote as well as ours.

    https://www.npr.org/2019/01/19/6868...an-bots-bucks-helped-push-brexit-vote-through

    A second vote is likely needed...
     
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    Is the strategy, delay and delay long enough so that the people just eventually throw their hands up in disgust and say, **** it, do what you want?
     
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    From what I read, most parliament members just want a plan on how the BREXIT will be implemented, and nobody can provide that... it doesn't seem like that much to ask.

    BREXIT was a theory... now somebody has to make it a reality and nobody can... therefore, maybe the theory should be reconsidered??

    If delay is that easy to accomplish, it's possible the original goal wasn't that achievable?
     
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    By that measure, the EC "thwarts the will of the people".
     
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    Nope. Just the will of the authoritarians.
     
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    This is the elites thwarting the will of the people. It is the most brazen and disgusting anti-democratic action taken by a Western government in my lifetime. It is as trivially easy to leave the EU as it is to build a border.... unless the 0.0001% decide against it, in which case it is impossible. Reading the MSM narrative on this is all the proof needed to show that they are the enemy of the people, they are squarely in the pocket of the 0.0001%. Brazen propagandists and shills looking for the destruction of sovereignty of all European people. The EU and elites are all about full-scale replacement of all indigenous people in all European nations and they are very open about their intentions. They talk about their plans to bring in 100s of millions of African migrants as if it is a done deal.

     
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    That is a lie and everybody knows it. This is bought and paid for political hacks following the will of their billionaire overlords and preventing the will of the people. This is exposing the fact that Europe is no longer free and the will of the people is irrelevant. The reason we will never have a wall is the same reason no country will be allowed to leave the EU, the elites will not allow it. The EU is the greatest existential threat to freedom in the West since Adolf Hitler.
     
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    Theresa May presented an exit deal to Parliament three times. It was the Brexiteers who said it wasn't good enough.
     
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    Where will they house all the Africans?
     
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    Due to being EU centric.
     
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    Those alien lizard people sound scary
     
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    Wow, that's some seriously wacky and paranoid fears there, chief
     
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    The EU is a taxing machine, not a bastion of liberty and free markets (capitalism). Britain is acting wisely by choosing to leave; it remains to be seen if they will benefit or lose. If they repeat the same statist errors as the EU, they’ll lose.
     
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    Odd then that Germany is one of Europe's strongest economies. Hmm?
     
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    So a majority vote for Pres is authoritarian, but a majority vote to leave the EU is the will of the people?

    That's some Olympic level gymnastics
     
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    When the EC gives each state representation in a representative government sure.. You are comparing two different things.

    GB was allowed to vote.. They were told over and over again there would be one vote and one vote only... All the polls had the "Remain" winning and yet the people voted to leave the EU even with the "polls" and the fearmongering about an incoming economic collapse if they voted to leave.

    For THREE YEARS certain politicians have completely ignored the vote and done all they could to "Remain" when they would not work they want a "Deal" to leave which is such a cluster **** that GB would only be leaving in name only.

    Its called utter corruption.
     
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    Trump won in spite of 53.9 percent of the population voting against him.

    Only 51.9 percent of Britain voted to leave.

    Why is one authoritarian and one is the will of the people?
    Or does the will of the people only apply when it suits the narrative?
     
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    It's called sanity. Most Brits now know what a disaster this will be for them
     
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    I'm comparing the difference between majority rule or not. Is majority rule authoritarian or not? It doesn't matter what form the non-side is, it's simple. Either majority rule is authoritarian or it is isn't.

    David Cameron said there would be one vote only. He isn't in power anymore. The referendum wasn't binding and they can very well decide not to leave as the sentiment has obviously shifted considerably since then.

    Also, the 'fearmongering' came from the 'leave' side. The reality of the result came from the 'stay' side. And they are right. Even the simple referendum has caused massive financial shifting and will continue. The pound is at a 5 month low and dropping. Long term, they will come out of it relatively ok, but short and medium term, things are going to go down quite a lot for the UK. Not to mention the fun with The Troubles 2.0 in Ireland. If they do leave, Scotland could break away from the UK, and then if Whales goes, then the UK goes down in flames.

    Well, considering all the 'leave' people disappeared into the wind once the vote was finished, I'm not surprised that those left to pick up the pieces and try and make it work would not want to follow through.
     
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    How so? Are you saying the Brits were not surviving before the EU?

    Are you suggesting GB can not do trade deals without being under the EU?
     
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    No it is not simple.. The founders did not want a few cities determining a Federal election.. The COUNTRY votes for the President not just a select few areas..

    Its far more complex then decided to leave the EU or not.

    Change always impacts markets in a negative or positive way......

    No peoples minds have not changed.. The same ****ing polls that said the "remain" would easily win are telling you this..

    They were wrong.
     
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