Brazil's right wing government moves to attack indigenous constitutional rights

Ah, the raving loon, of course: Listen to her rave:

"The precondition of a civilized society is the barring of physical force from social relationships—thus establishing the principle that if men wish to deal with one another, they may do so only by means of reason: by discussion, persuasion and voluntary, uncoerced agreement."http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/civilization.html

That's insane. There oughta be a ban.

 

Sounds like a pretty outrageous statement. You have any legitimate source that he said this?

 

Just to let you know-----the Trail of Tears was a Democrat travesty...

 

Yeah those damn Southern hyper religious, pro-states' rights, pro-traditional morality, anti-big government genocidal bastards.

Those are definitely the same beliefs that modern liberal/progressive Democrats hold.

 

Was listening to Greenwald talk yesterday. He and his partner are more concerned they may end up dead in Brazil for being gay but apparently will stay to fight for something better unlike other gays who have already fled. (I think possibly he moved to Brazil due to concerns about being arrested for being an investigative journalist originally) Great post!

 

The whole idea that we light the way and set an example for the rest of the world sounds egotistical to me. Kind of like how we define other countries presidents by whether they support the USA or Russia\China instead of what their policy is for their own people.

 

Yes, I heard a Brit suggest that very thing the other day. If we do not support what our Government and its allies, that is the US does, does then basically we are enemies of our State

 

While I don't disbelieve the facts, I think the article may be a bit biased and one-sided.

If there is corruption in the Maduro Administration, there is even more on the Left.
Brazil is a country with a lot of corruption.

 

I personally don't see why he doesn't just leave the indigenous people alone, but am not entirely familiar with the situation there.

I know there are a lot of poor Brazilians and they're looking for quick easy fixes, which could include settling on rainforest or lands reserved for indigenous people.

 

It's a good idea; The trouble is the country doesn't always stick close to its principles, so it comes off as having a bit of hypocrisy.

 

Of course the imprisonment of Lula on corruption is seen by many as itself massive corruption and wrongful imprisonment and if my memory is correct was something that Bolsonaro was involved in. Recently a massive amount of judges called for his release...but Bolsonaro is a Trump/Israel man, believing not enough people were killed in the military Junta, would prefer his son was dead than a gay, considers some women too ugly to rape and has promised to destroy the left, never mind his intent on the rainforests. He belongs to that section of the world.

Maduro is President of Venezuela not Brazil and though there are shouts of it I am unaware of any genuine evidence of corruption by him. People like to keep quiet in case it is so but a week or two ago I heard someone say ….because the reality is Maduro simply is not corrupt, when talking about how he had helped people. It is hard to get genuine news.

 

The available land is not for Americans. For international corporations maybe but not for Americans. Why do Americans or America get blamed for this? You might want to check up on China mining for oil in the Amazon.

 

Well said

The American indians were the first example of the failed welfare state

 

I bet you got an "A" on your social justice college exam didn't you? No one knows how many 'indigenous' people there were in the Americas at the time the explorers and settlers arrived. We have been told that 50 million of them were all wiped out due to small pox, murder. But, truth is no one knows how many we "wiped out". In a letter back to the King of Spain, Hernan Cortez, who was the first explorer to set foot in Mexico, stated that they were very few people there. He described the internecine warfare they had been fighting for as long as anyone could remember, and the massive numbers of human sacrifice.
You haven't got the inclination to educate us on the history of the Americas? That's good because there are scant written records on the subject which means everything you think you know is conjecture.

 

And most of the conjecture we have come from liberal academics who hate white people

Even guilt-ridden liberal academics who are themselves white

 

Exactly.

 

Almost always the truth is unpleasant. Still, you reject it.

 

Amost always? Nah, 99 Good, 1 unpleasant.

 

I guess that depends upon one's perspective.....

 

Mine? Just an every day guy smiling at sunshine, rejoicing at rainbows, and laughing at the rain.

 

Read and learn, this is nothing new, American companies have exploited South America for decades. Here's the cliff notes, SA leader expropriate indigenous lands, American companies get the contracts to log or mine resources, build large projects of unnecessary infrastructure based on massive unserviceable loans to IMF and World Bank. Leaders of said country are "generously compensated" for their efforts, the general population in this country remain poor and receive no benefit from these resources... American economy benefits ito growth and profit. (Belt and Road 1.0)
ps. China's Belt and Road is merely an American rip off

The New Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man/dp/1626566747/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

 

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance it is the illusion of knowlege"

~ Stephen Hawking

 

Not so much insane as a complete fantasy in our current economic system. As I said, if you enjoy science fiction, I can recommend far more lucid, coherent and readable material than Rand.

 

Actually they weren't even close to the first people colonized in the name of God by Europeans in order to plunder their land and resources. You'd have to go to to Africa and Asia for that. In the America's it was Pizzaro and his murderous butchery of the Incas that set the precedent for white man's greed for land and resources. Well that is if you don't count Columbus in the Caribbean but that wasn't so much colonization as simple murder for the lust of gold.

Not that the Indians didn't fight each other but the Spanish made deluded themselves into believing that their butchery was bringing civilization and God to the natives while stealing everything that wan't tied down and murdering men, women and children with glee that would have made the Nazi's proud.

Much as you two are deluding yourself that the conquering of the Americas was somehow glorious and civilizing when the reality was the complete opposite.

What people blinded by their own hubris do.

 

It's a direct quote. Read the link in the OP. That is only one of many of his proto-fascist utterings. He is notorious for them as is right-wing maniac Duterte in the Philippines.

Instead of railing against left-wingers, you guys should bone up on what the extreme right-wing, proto-fascist dictators are up to.