Break up the USA into Liberal & Conservative nations???

For the moment let me offer this for your consideration: https://www.lexingtonlaw.com/blog/finance/welfare-statistics.html

It seems to be anchored in dependably accurate bases of information.

I'm not a former economics major, either. My familiarity with "welfare" comes entirely from the perspective of having to pay for it as "Joe Schmoe" taxpayer -- not from deriving any benefit whatever from it.

 

OK, your site does not say anything about percentage of people faking a disability. It does talk about fraudulently filed claims which is more of a criminal activity (like all the other scams that go around) and put those at 10%; which implies that 90% of claims are legit, consistent with my calling them the vast majority. From this, though, we can't know if some of these are malingering their disability.

I'm a tax payer too. I have never received any governmental handoff my entire life. The same applies to my wife and my two adult children. We pay a lot of taxes with little possibility of using any loopholes because we both work for a hospital/university so we're on payroll and there are no loopholes for employed people, unlike some corporations that manage to pay almost nothing. It would be nice if conservatives went after THAT form of welfare, that is, corporate welfare, but it seems like it's the opposite; every conservative government gives pay cuts to the ultra-rich and the corporations.

I do have a personal corporation for some tax deductions related to my job such as the need to purchase PPE, based on some additional income I have for doing some consulting jobs (for example, consulting for my state medical board, or receiving a research grant to lead some project that doesn't go through my university - this is actually not supposed to happen for a full-time tenured position but everybody does it, to supplement income, and the university looks the other way - they know that if they were to enforce the rules strictly, they'd lose professors who would be poached by other universities that do not enforce these rules). My accountant takes care of it. I have no clue and defer to whatever he says/does. Anyway, I still pay a LOT of taxes given that both my wife and I being physicians, our salaries are quite substantial.

So, I'd have grounds to be upset at tax-payer-funded welfare. But I'm not. I have a first-hand view of the people with disabilities, and I pity them, and think they deserve the help. I can afford the taxes, but they can't survive without the welfare.

 

I went with "Yes" for a moment.... thought about it... and then changed my vote to No....
but I need to explain what I mean.....
I believe that ARTISTICALLY DIVIDING THE USA within twenty years to fifty years ..... could have potential.....

a lot of potential.......

The more conservative part of the USA could easily swallow the Canadian Province of Alberta and then move on from there.....
but this is at least fifteen or twenty years off in the future......

Proposed Republic of Western Canada and Unified Field Theory of M.W.P.

 

That bird can't fly.



Most & Least Federally Dependent States

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

 

As I've said several times, my plan would not (NOT) disenfranchise people with genuine, verifiable long-term disabilities at all! And I'm not even talking about cutting or eliminating welfare programs, which are too often illegally and/or unethically milked DRY by various 'beneficiaries' of many different varieties.

On the contrary, people with authentic, verifiable reasons they cannot support themselves (serious injuries, debilitating illness, birth defects, etc.) should be provided with enough welfare programs to give them housing, food, medical care, pharmaceutical medicine, etc., on a life-long basis! And, because they are in that situation, those people should not (NOT) lose their right to vote at all.

But the ones who don't have injuries, illness, or other factors that prevent them from supporting themselves should not be allowed to vote during the same calendar year in which they take UNEARNED income or benefits from the government.

I'll just drop the whole thing now because, realistically, nothing of the kind is ever going to happen in the United States now. We'll continue on down our wretched, misguided path to 'neo-socialism' while our opponents, Russia and China, develop their own way toward what's being described loosely as 'nationalistic neo-capitalism'. And there's absolutely no doubt in my mind about how THAT'S going to end....

. "Oh yeah? Let's put it to a vote...!"

 

IMO civil war is inevitable sometime in the next 10-20 years.

 

Split the national debt per population divide would be the only way to go. But if there were a split it would never be peaceful and it would resemble the European Union if it did happen. I think it’s a horrible idea

 

How well would you fare against the national guard tanks with your ar-15? You may fight it to the death but your wife sons and daughters would end up enslaved if the gov wanted to, unless you're planning on shooting them too.

 

I would take it a step further than you. Anyone who takes from the government more so than they put in should not vote period. I know disabled people who work and do just fine. One is in a wheel chair at a parts house. Even manages to get parts at higher elevations as well. Being disabled isn’t an excuse.

 

That could be very desirable for the Comrades Pootin and Xi.

 

The problem with China and Russia is their authoritarianism. In doing so, they ultimately weaken themselves, just as Western states weaken themselves through too much socialism.

 

You never said what percentage of people you believe are fakers/moochers among all who receive welfare. Do you have any objective evidence, beyond an opinion that there are too many?

And regarding this voting rights issue, how would we discriminate between the legit ones and the fakers? This would open the door to invalidating voting rights for a lot of people who indeed have the right to vote. Can you imagine, if a district went to one party or the other consistently, the unfavored party then seeking to invalidate a lot of votes there based on alleged fake disability?

 

This is because there are most definitely powers behind the scene who are hellbent on destroying our Republic one way or the other, and what better way than pitting us against each other, eh?

Any talk of civil war or sucession or any of that crap is simply unpatriotic and unamerican. There are better ways to settle our differences.

But Americans MUST learn to be smarter, more diligent and most importantly, more discerning.

 

That would, presumably, be the disarming that I previously mentioned. I said : 'the south wont be getting slaves unless it managea to disarm them first.'

 

I found this post of yours, erm, strange. It's quite an 'extreme' way of thinking tbh.

At most, the odd State could breakaway from the US, but having a conservative/liberal split, plus based on how you see both sides are like, that's strange.

 

Here's an article that matches with the topic quiet well...

What Would US Civil War Look Like?