Breaking news - Arab's greatest fear "Sharon" is dead.

It's only acceptable if it's temporary and Israel is already required to withdraw according to UN SC Resolution. Quite obviously, Israel intends it to be permanent and it follows that it is illegal. That's international law for you. It's a bugger, ain't it.

 

A flagrant falsehood- regurgitated, one supposes, to bolster previous bullcrap.

 

They've been especially criminal for an unacceptable period of time. In addition, the neoZionist brand of ethnic cleansing is especially loathsome.

 

Techniclly that's true but its more demagoguery then reality, the fighting in the WB is orgenized by the PLO which is not a religous org. but Israel works with the PLO most of the time, I wouldnt consider them as Israel security problem, those ppl can be reasoned with and work toward a peace agreemnet,

The real enemy is Hamas which IS an Islamic religious party and denies peaces, Egypt marked it as a religous fanatic party and aims to destroy its leadership, so its not just "zionist" lies..., so to say Christians fight Israel as well is more not true than true.
I know how much you care for Hamas but the future doesnt look very bright for them, Sisi is not a western pupet.

 

Corrupt and criminal jews deserve the same contempt and punishment as any other criminals. You seem to think that jews are somehow ' special '.

 

That depends on what kind of fantasy you had in mind: cease of aid, American boycott or full scale war with the US..., I answered the cease of aid scenario.

 

What relevance does the time it takes to die come into it. Arafat was probably poisoned, Sharon was artificially kept alive for 8 years.

What on earth makes you think Sharon's viewpoint died a slow death. Do you not still see it in operation in the West Bank?

Well you are letting us know what you admire. Massacres

http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Qibya_massacre.html

Sharon was known for his disregard of human life and not just his enemies, his own soldiers too. His military intent which you so admire was for greater Israel. He supported settlements from the beginning, had the earliest concept of tiny bantustans for the Palestinians. He was repeatedly disgraced and repeatedly allowed back in, hence I would concur with the belief I heard last night that Israel itself is responsible as a whole for his actions. His intent was to make sure the West Bank was settled and there was no possibility of two states. That he has almost certainly achieved, so much so that the current Israeli's feel fine laughing at the idea of the US actually managing to get a peace settlement

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25735532

The US has of course been complicit in this since the 67 war but none the less Israel is now in a situation where she faces world isolation, including from Europe. She is a country built on the same ideology where the American's did a genocide on the Native people.

Mixed picture? What do you find mixed about the massacring of women and children. He orchestrated this and even told the US if the Phalanges did not go in he would. Israeli soldiers themselves have described how they were forced to surround the camp so people could not escape and allow it to happen after it had been arranged by Sharon by lying that the people who had killed the Phalanges leader was in the camp.

Mixed, what is mixed about murdering babies?

Proof of his demonic genius, possibly. He left gaza because Israel could no longer afford it and because of demographics. The Palestinians were asking for a state for all the people. Giving Gaza 'independence', putting a wall around it and cutting it off from the world certainly was demonic genius in ending hoped for the two state solution.

He also had the plan we hear most of our Israelis talk about here Jordan for the Palestinians. His hope being for the Palestinians to take over Jordan. From what I was hearing last night it may well be he had some responsible for black September. He created absolute havoc in the ME. Demonic genius if that is what you like.

People who whine about war crimes? I am sorry to hear your indifference and lack of responsibility to massacres. I assume you think the same about the holocaust - don't whine about it. I think that is one of the most lacking in humanity sentences I have ever seen on this forum. No doubt you will report me for saying so but I am only responding to your stated inhumanity -... people who 'whine' about war crimes.

 

Sharon determination in 1973 more or less saved Israel, there was no massecres just pure military menuvers and bravery.

Sabra and Shatila were not planned, it happend because Sharon opened an oppertunity but didnt care enough to guard those camps, Israeli soldies surrounded all Palestinian refugee camps during the war because they were a high risk factor. to blame Sharon MORE or even as much as the actual murederes is dishonest and offensive to the butchered IMO.

 

Bravo, great rebuttal, of course the Israelis don't whinge about war crimes , they use them to justify theirs.

 

Right.....because the idea of Arabs slaying Arabs is just absurd, it cannot happen, must be Israel's fault....

 

I don't know much about 73. I know that Israel threatened to use her nukes unless the US immediately provided high grade weapons which she did. That is what won him the war. I believe that Sharon went against orders with the Egyptians unnecessarily killing many who ought to have lived.

What have you done with your victory Gilos? People thought 67 gave Israel the opportunity to get an accepted peace. Instead she, and the US became fanatically religious and wanted the West Bank. Nothing has been done for peace. Instead Sharon decided that he would create terror throughout the ME, let everyone know that with Israel their were no holes barred...every action will be responded with by a thousand times the force and that is how you have been living ever since. The term good will has been forgotten.

Of course they were planned. There was no way the Phalanges could get in if they were not planned. I read on what I considered a good source that Sharon phoned the US before it. They were not keen. He said, if they did not do it he would. Hiring an assassin carries a more heavy sentence than doing the killing yourself.

You must be aware Gilos that Sabra and Shatila lost Israel more good will worldwide than anything.

 

I dont have the time to argue with such one sided minds, each word is contested, each piece of history is distorted...... the wind blows in Israel because of the Palestinians screams, enough is enough.

 

Feb 12 2013

http://www.haaretz.com/news/israeli...-s-role-in-sabra-and-shatila.premium-1.505001

I originally made bold as Jews and citizens simply because I had no idea what he was talking about. As politicians and citizens of Israel maybe, but what the heck does being 'Jews' have to do with it. The last paragraph in the quote says what his mind was thinking of

The report he says should be denied by 'Jews' because his actions are compared to those who committed atrocities against Jews. Of course they could be. Him not liking it does not change the truth and him trying to blame all Jews for this, could be seen as antisemetic. More likely he was just using memories of historic attacks on Jews to induce sympathy and of course to encourage a wrongful interpretation so as not to be compared to those who hurt Jews. He saw himself what he had done. Seems to me if anything the commission was being lenient on Sharon.

 

Israel is lucky by having stupid and amoral enemies.

 

In fact the Germans did do as you suggested. In order to 'justify' their invasion of Poland a border incident was staged. They murdered the Polish guards and dressed them up in German uniforms in attempt at proving that the Poles attacked first...
Moshe Dayan is on record stating that the '67 war was a deliberate act of provocation by Israel.
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/729.html

 

Nonsense. The IDF were in a protecting role because the refugees were at risk from attack, and not because they were a threat! You know what the result was.

 

Oh really? I don't notice the phrase, "this is specifically directed at Arabs" anywhere in the Resolution. I guess you must have made it up.

 

No need to ask the authors , a map was provided

If you clicked on the link already posted by snakestretcher + clicked in "territories " you'd have found this map

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/c...b08a2e4d1fde5cec85256b98006e752f?OpenDocument

"Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

 

You'd have been an hilarious turn at Nuremberg.

 

There'r a great deal abt Sharon which has been swept under a carpet, enough to fill several books .

According to "Ariel Sharon: Profile of an
Unrepentant War Criminal" by Jeffrey Steinberg

Extract :The Kahane Commission, an Israeli body convened to investigate the Sabra and Shatila mass murders, found Sharon to be complicit in the crimes, and he was fired by Prime Minister Begin as Defense Minister shortly after the report's release.


Sharon was also a fraudster/scam artist involved in many crooked deal.

"Sharon entered the Knesset in December 1973, at the very moment that the Israeli government lifted the ban on private sales of West Bank land to Israelis. The Knesset decision was brought about by a heavy lobbying effort by Sharon colleague and former Police Minister Yehezkel Sahar. The very first "private" purchase was for the construction of a residential community for retired IDF officers. The partners in the deal included Sahar, Gen. Reshavam Ze'evi, Sharon publicist Eli Landau, and Avraham Mintz, a founder of the fanatical settlers movement Gush Emunim.

In June 1974, Sharon personally led a group of settlers to establish an illegal outpost near the West Bank town of Nablus. It was the first of many such ventures that Sharon would sponsor, under the rhubric of the drive to "Judaize the territories."

Sharon's political career continued to advance. In 1975, Prime Minister Rabin appointed Sharon as his personal security adviser. Then, the Likud was swept into power in the 1977 elections, and Prime Minister Menachim Begin named Sharon as Minister of Agriculture. In that capacity, Sharon launched a massive expansion of Jewish "agricultural settlements" throughout the West Bank and Gaza. During 1977-81, more than 25,000 new settlers—mostly members of the Gush Emunim—moved into the occupied territories. The Gush Emunim settlers formed into death squads explicitly modelled on Sharon's old "Unit 101." They would play a pivotal role in a filthy Anglo-American Zionist criminal enterprise known as "Landscam."

In 1979, the Israeli Supreme Court ratified the private land purchases in the occupied territories, and immediately, Sharon's mafia cronies set up several real estate ventures, under such names as Jumbo, Samarea and Judea, and Meteor. In 1980, Sharon and Yuval Ne'eman formed an organization, Prevention of Emergence of Another Arab Country in Eretz Israel (PEACE), to press the issue of permanent Israeli annexation of the occupied territories. The group included a number of notables from Israel and the United States, who would remain part of the extended Sharon mafia family for years to come: Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, Jewish Defense League (JDL) founder Joseph Churba, Young Israel director Harold Jacobs, Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith general counsel Arnold Forster, right-wing Knesset member and Rabbi Meir Kahane patron Geula Cohen, and Roni Milo.

Sharon toured the United States in 1980, lining up financing for a massive real estate grab. But first, Sharon launched a campaign of terror against the Palestinians in the West Bank, to literally scare them into leaving their land. In the Spring of 1982, Sharon hosted a planning meeting at his Negev desert ranch, which had been purchased for him by Riklis. Riklis, Henry Kissinger, Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, Rafi Eytan, General Ze'evi, Arieh Genger, Herbert Brin, and Eli Landau attended the session, according to an eyewitness account. Within days of the meeting, Gush Emunim and JDL terrorists began attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank. "Landscam" was under way.

"Landscam" coincided with Sharon's invasion of Lebanon, which began on June 4, 1982, and was aimed at wiping out the Palestine Liberation Organization, which had established its base in several camps near Beirut. Between June 4 and Aug. 31, 1982, the IDF, under Sharon's direction (Begin had named him Minister of Defense the previous year), killed a total of 19,025 Palestinians and wounded 30,032 in a military campaign that Sharon called "Operation Peace in Galilee." Under immense pressure from the Reagan Administration, Sharon abandoned plans to assassinate Arafat, and, on Aug. 21, 1982, he allowed the PLO to evacuate 15,600 fighters from Lebanon, under an American-brokered cease-fire.

On Sept. 15, Sharon broke the cease-fire agreement, and the next day, launched a "purification" campaign against the refugee camps of Sabra, Shatila, and Burj El Barajneh. Falangist death squads—protected by the IDF, which encircled the camps—massacred unarmed women, children, and elderly.

On Sept. 19, 1982, the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 521, harshly condemning the massacres at the camps. In a distant mirror of the current genocide in Jenin, Ramallah, and Bethlehem, Sharon ignored the international condemnations. Today, Sharon faces war crimes prosecution in court in Belgium for his role in the Sabra and Shatila massacres, as the result of a lawsuit filed on June 18, 2001 by 23 survivors of the attacks.

On Oct. 15, 1982, a month after the 1982 massacres, Sharon held meetings—in the Chouf Mountains of Lebanon and at his Negev ranch—with Falange leader Camille Chamoun, Uri Dan, Rupert Murdoch, Charles Douglas-Home, and others, to move the "Landscam" West Bank real estate grab forward.

On Nov. 15, 1982, a final meeting took place on several real estate purchases, mostly through Arab middle-men, to push the massive expansion of Jewish settlements throughout the West Bank—at a handsome profit.


. In 1984, after the fall of the Begin government and the establishment of a Likud-Labor national unity government, Sharon was appointed Minister of Trade and Industry, a position he held until 1990, when he was named Minister of Construction and Housing, a post that enabled him to continue as the leading sponsor of the massive expansion of Jewish settlements in the occupied territories. During Sharon's tenure in various government ministries, the number of Jewish settlers soared to more than 110,000.



In January 1986, Edgar Bronfman, the Jewish mafia don and president of the World Jewish Congress, admitted, in a New York Post interview, that he was negotiating on behalf of the Israeli government with Moscow, to secure Soviet permission for 400,000 Jews to emigrate to Israel—in return for massive shipments of grain to the Soviet Union.

The deal was cynically dubbed "Jews for wheat," in recognition that this scheme was leading to the annexation of the occupied lands by Israel. A year earlier, in another sop to the American- and British-based Jewish criminal interests bankrolling Sharon's "Judiazation" scheme, the Knesset had passed laws dropping all restrictions on cash flows into Israeli banks—so long as the money was invested in Israel.

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Hamas: Another Sharon Asset

During his postings in the Likud governments during 1977-92, Sharon had not only been the "rabbi" of the Gush Emunim and Kach Movement/JDL Jewish underground terrorist organizations.

He also played a pivotal role in the creation of Hamas, the Palestinian Islamist group, which was formally founded in 1988. Under the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, an estimated 800 "licenses" were handed out to Palestinians, to create schools, infirmaries, food kitchens, and other social service programs.

Sharon made sure that all these licenses were given to Islamists, many of whom would be Hamas founders, as a way of creating a "countergang" ruling structure to eventually supplant the power of the PLO inside the occupied territories.

Sharon's sponsorship of Hamas has become a public scandal in recent months, particularly since the publication of stories in EIR in the past year, exposing these links, and detailing Sharon's plans to use Hamas as part of his "Jordan is Palestine" drive for mass transfer.

 

Take a look at the map.

 

Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish.
It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by
adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy
and it honors the sword of freedom.

John F. Kennedy

 

John F. Kennedy? Must be factually correct then

 

50 years and counting since these historic words were spoken, and Israel still endures and flourishes; of course it is "factually correct"

 

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