Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by The Turk, Jul 15, 2016.
ppl go out to streets, its far from over IMO
According to what we have here, Erdogan was denied asylum to Germany. Istanbul denied him permission to land there.
We have 3 threads running on this.
Erdogan is a megalomaniac on the order of Hitler, so if he retakes control, which he probably will, then there is going to be hell to pay all around. Right now according to Hurriyet he has called on all the citizens to resist the coup.
There is a civil war going on in Turkey in the East with the Kurds. In addition, there are Turkish officers fighting with Al Nusra in Aleppo, and they are being bombed non stop by Russia. Erdogan has to give his followers something to maintain power and I fear for the Aegean.
It appears no one is listening to him.....The streets are cleared and martial law is in effect.
There is a lot on Sputnik, so much that I can't keep up. Seems people are going out into the streets, helicopters are firing on the TV station, etc.
It is not unusual. The Turkish Military has always been the guarantor of secular government when some politician tries to grow his power too grandly or the Islamic factions try to seize power.
According to Sputnik, there are firefights going on in Ankara now, but no one know between who, and there are tanks roaming through Istanbul, but under whose control? Also helicopters are firing on the TV station that made the announcement that they have taken over.
So do I.....Not unlike Obama. Erdogan has been firing his professional military and replacing them with his own hack political yes men.
He is not out of the country but is in a resort city out of Ankara...I suspect he is trying to get out of the country.
Here's some facts from inside:
1) There are many misinformation going on in Turkey. I haven't seen this kind of chaos in my entire life. It's like hollywood movie.
2) It's definetely NOT clear that the coup is succesful or not at the moment.
3) The council who is responsible for this military action consists only of the Gendarme and the Turkish air forces.
4) The First army who are responsible for the protection of Istanbul (They are also Turkish NATO army) says that they refused this military attempt and they are trying to take control of Istanbul again.
5) The Turkish TVs say that the US and the EU and NATO don't support this military action.
We will see if it's a theatre that Erdogan is directing or not.
Any Russian involvement?
UPDATE V: Via NYT, Turkish PM pushes back against claims that the military has taken over saying, “The government elected by the people remains in charge. This government will only go when the people say so.”
Ragıp Soylu ‎@ragipsoylu
#BREAKING Istanbul Prosecutor's Office launches investigation on the coup attempt, orders arrests of military officers with guns in streets.
The Associated Press
Report: Turkish military releases statement, saying armed forces have 'fully seized control' of the country.
UPDATE VII: All flights from Ataturk Airport have been cancelled.
UPDATE VIII: Turkish President reportedly safe, as airports close and a curfew is imposed.
UPDATE IX: Martial law has been declared......snip~
Thanks for the report. Hard to really tell what's going on.
Why would Russia be involved? They never intervene in the internal affairs of other nations. Gulen of the Gulen movement lives in Pennsylvania and has connections with Washington. He is the one Erdogan blames. His schools have given him quite a bit of a following in Turkey. ..especially with his former students.
Erdogan has been attacking his followers for the past three years, so even if Gulen wasn't a threat before, Erdogan has made him one now with his actions.
I read that the Greek army is on high alert because of what's going on in Turkey. The reports last week were that the Generals Erdogan arrested wanted to start a war with Greece so they could overthrow Erdogan in the upheaval.
Russia is involved for the security of its' Black Sea fleet and free access to the Mediterranean.
Moi sez this smells of involvement ala Mubarak then Morsi. Sometimes coups just don't go right. To Sisi
I am offering even odds that Erdogan is gone. (Because that is how wants it!)
r > g
Build The Wall!
Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
I don't agree! Erdogan like the megalomaniac in Germany can't be rid of so easily. My bet is that Erdogan stays.
I just saw a video on RT showing people in the streets trying to stop the tanks. There are reports of explosions in Ankara and fighting in the streets. Also a report of a military jet striking down the helicopter that was firing on the TV station that they had taken over.
I predict that this is the beginning of the end for Turkey unless they do something rash. ..like a false flag attack so they can grab some islands in the Aegean. (There's a lot of activity going on there). It's the only way they could pull Turkey together again. They have to give the people some sense of triumph, since Assad now is taking back Aleppo... not to mention the lands they were hoping to grab in Syria.
Then there is the civil war with the Kurds. They might lose part of their country, not to mention the soldiers that are being killed in the East everyday. Turkey also has the terrorists attacks, and the economic situation is not too great either.
I'm telling you Turkey is a goner. The only thing that could save it is to make a move in the Aegean, and if they do Russia won't tolerate having its accesses to the Mediterranean controlled by Turkey.
I have now seen the same reports.
Some people are antagonistic to the military,
others are waving support.
It is less clear now than it was a few hours ago.
To bring everyone up to date, the coup failed and 42 people have been killed because of it. The head of the coup was an officer who was fired because of his close connections with the Gulen movement.
Erdogan and many of his followers feel he has a 'messianic' purpose in his life and that he will be the one who will restore the Ottoman Empire and spread Islam throughout the world. If Erdogan felt he was indestructible before, then this coup has reaffirmed it even more so.
It's going to be hard for anyone to contain him from now on, so I fear the worse.
Live at the bosphorus bridge. The Army still controls it.
The world of Muslims, has gone nuts...WTF......FIFY
RIP modern Turkey. Welcome to backwards Turkey.
Who holds Ankara?
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Erdogan is in Istanbul making a speech.
Yeah he didn't fly to Ankara did he? His plane flew over Cilgli Air Base in Izmir but he didn't land there either. Both Izmir and Ankara have a pretty heavy military presence, not so much Istanbul.
He took istanbul and made a speech threatening the military leaders with serious consequences and a charge of treason, we need eyes on Ankara ASAP.
(*)(*)(*)(*) I think Erdogan has the airforce IE he has F16s.
You need the airforce.
According to Moon of Alabama the plot was amateurish, so many suspect it was an Erdogan plot to seize more power. He will now be able to crack down on anyone he politically or personally dislikes regardless of whether they were involved in the plot. Everyone spoke out against it even the Gulen movement and the Kurdish party, but nothing will save them now from Erdogan and his supporters wrath.
Here are some tidbits from tweets on the Moon site:
Pres Erdoğan says this is an opportunity presented by God to clean up Turkish Military .
Number of detained military personnel after coup attempt rises to 1,563 across country: official
Power to Turkey's Incirlik Air Base, which is used by U.S. to launch airstrikes against #ISIS, has been cut, U.S. consulate in #Turkey says
Turkey jets which bombed #Ankara refilled from fuel tankers took off from Incirlik airbase!!
Erdogan demands that U.S. delivers Gülen to him (without evidence of coup relations). Erdogan isolates major U.S. base (with nukes) in Turkey.
10 State Council, top court members are detained allegedly for having ties to failed coup attempt.
John Kerry on the Turkey coup: "I must say it does not appear to be a very brilliantly planned or executed event."
Speculations flowing in Istanbul TurkeyCoup linked to annual military meeting in Aug where gov plans to purge Gulenist soldiers (leaked)
Imposing Sharia punishment on soldiers for their failed coup
[pic showing bearded Erdoganists whipping soldiers in the street after they surrendered]
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