BREAKING: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v. Wade, According to Draft Majority Opinion

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  1. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    When in the past has travel ever been reliably subsidized for such a polarized cause?
    If people cant get free transportation to work, why would they get free transportation to break state law?
     
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    Yes - but there is no foolproof formula to tell when a woman will develop one of the life threatening complications. It's like the extreme when
    people argue the right to own guns - odds are extremely small you'll ever use it to defend your life, but that does not make the argument
    any less valid.
     
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    That was YOUR post, not mine. You were addressing MY post but inserting YOUR version into it which was not what I posted nor intended by what I posted.
     
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    Yet it needs to be interpreted, no?

    What entity could possibly be better suited for such? I simply do not see an alternative but would love to hear yours if you have one.
     
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    For the same reason that people do not get free lunch at work yet they give out food stamps and the existence of soup kitchens.

    Of course they would subsidize travel. Stop playing dumb and acting like there is not a solution.
     
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  6. Vernan89188

    Vernan89188 Well-Known Member

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    And look what happened to them when abortion was legal. Gutted.
    Planned parenthood does not have the logistics to pick up woman in rural counties. Where its 15 miles to the nearest store.
     
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    You referenced the DoI as supporting the idea that abortion is a Right. The DoI says nothing about abortion. Indeed it references "Life" as being a Right. Which is the opposite of abortion. So, like it or not, my post did address what you talked about. Accept it or not. Doesn't matter to me. And doesn't matter to reality.
     
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    Free abortion clinics are not everywhere in rural areas either. Somehow they manage. Unlike in inner cities, people in rural areas need a vehicle to get around anyway.

    All you are talking about is free Greyhound tickets for the indigent. These busses are just as available as free abortion clinics.

    Stop playing dumb and acting as if a solution does not exist. Of course it does.
     
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    Difference being that those complications are often handled routinely and rarely do women die from pregnancies any more.
     
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    About abortion it's difficult to be rational.

    The main argument in favor of legal abortion is that a woman stressed by an unwanted pregnancy could do something definitive, damaging her genital organ in a way to become incapable to get pregnant again. Legal abortion would avoid this extreme consequence.

    What I can say is that when abortion was illegal in Italy there were women who helped young girl to abort in an illegal way and a part of those young girls became incapable to get pregnant. At least on the base of Italian experience I would say that it's impossible to limit illegal abortion.
    Women tend to help women, regardless what men can think or do.

    It's better to have a legal way.

    But ... personally I prefer to diffuse the usage of condoms and pills instead of allow abortions.
    Sexual education and a free access to sex for teens should be columns of modern societies.

    Abortion should be a problem to solve.
     
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    So about as many women die in each year from pregnancy complications as die in home invasions each year in the US (around 750) ... so why do we need guns?
    Or does suddenly the number not matter to you?
     
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    If that's the best solution you got to a problem you cause, I can see why republicans should be worried come primary time.
    Republicans love them some government authoritarianism.
     
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    The English language dictionary can "interpret" the Constitution just fine. But if it needs further clarification The People are the creators and owners of the Constitution, not SCOTUS. SCOTUS is a SERVANT of The People, not the other way around. Would you have your employee interpret his/her employment contract that was created by you as the employer? And for example deciding that some clause means that the employee should get a 50% raise every month? Well that's what these unelected black robed lawyers do, "interpret" as the wind blows. The judiciary has the power to review a law or an act for constitutional compliance, not deciding what the Constitution meant in reference to a law or an act. That the proverbial tail wagging the dog.
     
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    Please don't do it, although the Supreme Court is apparently expecting it.

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    I am personally pro-abortion. I simply am practical and can recognize that if Roe v Wade were overturned, it is not a catastrophe. Women who still want an abortion can get an abortion.

    Unlike you, I do not play the sky is falling routine. I solve problems, and this solution is blatantly obvious.
     
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    So you do not believe there is a need for judicial overview to interpret the Constitution, rather you believe that everyone can go to the dictionary and everyone will agree? LOL....cmon.

    There must be an authority to decide disputes, and it is hard to imagine a body better suited than the judiciary. It is perhaps far from perfect, but there is a need for it and it is the logical arbiter when agreement is not possible. If you are trying to imply that the people should vote on disputes, that simply is not practical.
     
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    Guess what, no one believes you when you claim it wont be a catastrophe for woman. Because Roe vs Wade was not always the precedent.
     
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    I did no such thing. Again read the prior sentence for proper reference. It was strictly about the origin of rights. The poster I was responding to claimed the Constitution gives no right to murder one's unborn child. And I explained that rights are not given and that is supported by the Declaration's statement on inherent rights.
     
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    ...and none of this has anything to do with the obvious solution of subsidizing bussing for poor women in illegal states to get an abortion which is my sole point in this conversation.

    Of course that will be the solution.
     
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    Exactly. And one of those inherent Rights is the Right to Life. You cannot have a Right to Life AND a Right to Abortion. The two are diametrically opposed.
     
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    Its not sane to think things will be different the second time around. We did not have "Busing" for woman before, so voting republican as a solution to anything else as important is just as insane.
    This is the type of crap we have come to expect when republicans create policy for anything.
     
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    As I explained judicial review is NOT about interpreting the Constitution. It's about interpreting a law, question of law or an act for constitutional compliance. The People can be represented by an entity somewhat like a jury, independent of government. That is already being done in court cases. Juries have the power of jury nullification. That means they don't have to follow an unjust law (even though most jurists have no clue they have such a power). They are falsely instructed by the judge, a government servant, that they must decide their verdict based on the law. They absolutely do not and face no repercussions for deciding as they feel.
     
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    ...and none of this has anything to do with the obvious solution of subsidizing bussing for poor women in illegal states to get an abortion which is my sole point in this conversation.

    Of course that will be the solution. It did not exist before because it was not prior an option for 50 years. Duh.
     
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    We have been discussing interpreting the Constitution, and Constitutional compliance and the like depends heavily upon that very interpretation. They are inextricably linked. IMO, the judiciary is the obvious choice for that task. I suppose that sincere minds can disagree, but I doubt you will have many people that support your solution.

    Being that these are just opinions, I am not sure there is much use in us continuing to go back and forth with our opinions.
     
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