BREAKING: Supreme Court Will Strike Down Roe v. Wade, According to Draft Majority Opinion

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  1. Turin

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    Not at all. Just predicting the future.
     
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    Why? What's the basis of your prediction? What is going to drive your side so crazy that you are going to launch a war against the country?
     
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    Regardless of your understanding, Jurisdiction DOES matter.
     
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    Well at least that's a subject important to you. And we even agree. Authority relies on jurisdiction, both geographical and subject matter. It's extremely important in the legal world. I actually was able to get a case against me dismissed because the court lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review it.
     
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    If all I listened to was AM radio, Patriot XM, and watched FOX..Id believe all that BS about Dems you posted about as well...GDanm.
    Based on everything about your self you just explained..you are pretty much a Dem who has discovered capitalism money then decided to start voting republican because they realized the benefits of capitalism. Don't mean to laugh, but that's pretty funny.
     
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    again you don't read my posts! my quote: all news outlets agree the choice of wither a state will allow abortions or not. will be left up to each state. the best democracy for any nation is let the voters decide wither they support abortion or not. if blue states want to keep it--ok, up to them. if red states don't again up to them. any one can still get a abortion if they chose to. 98% of the (so called) poor. own cars. so they drive across their state border to a blue state that has abortions on demand. and they get one. the federal gov. is---not!!!--- banning abortions nation wide. the court (if) this stands. makes each voter in each state decide what they want.
    quote: Moral of the story keep your state blue at all costs now. yeah, right! that is why sooooo many people are leaving liberal blue states for red states. you have read or heard that right? :roflol: :evil:
     
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    quote: I don't expect any Conservative to be self-critical enough to realize that he/she is in trouble with the electorate. i've seen no evidence of that. the pro-abortion people will stay in bidens camp, that is a given. but with the economy, inflation, high gas, food, now interest rates going up, the border, wars. all happening, and liberals are under water on all of them. i don't see any concern for the g.o.p. as of now.

    quote: Every MAGA on this forum was convinced that Trump would be re-elected....yep! and i'm one of them. but will not try to convince you otherwise.

    quote: And the Supreme Court is about to make a decision that is supported by only 28% of Americans and that will take the country back 50 years. that is a uneducated view point imv. why? because before roe v wade. there was a nation wide ban on abortions!!!!! (if) this ruling stands, ---that will not happen!!! how? each state will have the choice on weither to have abortions legal in said state or not. so there will-----not---be a nation wide ban on abortions. do you understand?

    quote: So there will be a significant political cost to the GOP. really? with only that for liberals to run on? the family budget is way more important to people than abortion. the cost of everything is hitting people, black, white, what ever color, each and every day. that!!!---my friend will be on the majorities mind in nov. i think.
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    quote: You really ought to take a civics course, you don't understand any of this. really? are you serious? take a civics course now days. these collages are full of professors spewing out liberal propaganda. that is one reason why these collage students are sooooo screwed up, and many can't make it in the real world because they think they are victim's of this or that. or they should get special treatment.

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    You don't understand the difference between rights, powers and privileges. there you are wrong. in the constitution it puts in to the supreme law of the nation the-----rights---that are guaranteed!!!!!! by the constitution. check the 1st amendment guarantees the rights of freedom of speech, the rights of a free press, & the right of free expression. these are ---not privileges!!!---- they are rights---- guaranteed by the constitution. just like the 2nd amendment guarantees the right of owning & bearing firearms. another----right!!! not privilege.

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    Government servants are granted powers and privileges via the contract called the Constitution (a piece of paper) actually, your wrong. how? the constitution----limits!!!! the power of congress, the president, & the courts. a very big difference in giving power to government and or-----limiting--- governments power. you understand? also that (piece of paper) is the supreme law of the land. infact with out pieces of paper with laws on them, you would have ===anarchy!!! very close to many states like ca. washington, origan, ny, and cities like l.a., Seattle, portland, chicago, nyc. where the laws on the books, ie (pieces of paper) are not enforced question: is that what you want. the strong praying on the weak? without laws to protect anyone? it sure sounds like it.:evil:
     
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    If only that were true. In reality, that Amendment might as well not exist because nobody cares about obeying it. Regardless, while I don't like it and don't agree with it, I can at least sort of see a compelling State interest in restricting abortion, especially for those (who are nuts) who think that 5 minutes after sperm meets egg it's already human. Where the compelling State interest part comes in is based on whether or not that nutty idea is true, which is unfortunately an unanswerable question.

    I'd love to be talked into finding a Constitutional excuse, and I hope the Court finds one or two, even if they uphold the Mississippi law (the effect of which will change the latest allowable date absent extenuating circumstances from 24 to 15 weeks, but without outright overturning RvW. The 9A argument, if they were to give it due consideration, is a good one, but the consequences would be extreme, for example the same logic makes banning cocaine (which I think should be legalized anyway) not something the Feds have the authority to do absent an Amendment.

    Breathing life back into the 9A would be like a dream result, but I just don't see it happening.
     
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    So what, neither did electricity. This is the last response you'll get from me without at least making SOME kind of Constitutional argument, even if it's weak. And "it's a living document" is bullshit, the words haven't changed except those changed by Amendment, which has been done, and should be done more often, and not just about this.

    The Dems are in charge, at least until December, take what time you've got left to pass an Amendment, or if you can't get the support for that, at least a law mandating that abortion be available nationwide. It won't be the end of the story by any means (unfortunately!), but it's far more productive than whining on TV talk shows about rights that are legally questionable as far as their existence based on Constitutional principals in the first place.
     
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    I keep having to reduce the size of the font you use when quoting your post because it takes up quite a bit of space. You are embarrassing yourself in giant bold letters. If you're going to universally condemn college professors it would help your credibility if you knew how to spell the word COLLEGE first (or at least look it up). You do not need to display your lack of confidence in what you post by using the biggest, boldest font you have available, it doesn't help, trust me on this. You should also try learning how to use the quote option this forum has available for your convenience like most posters do.

    You are posting opinions on a subject you admit you know nothing about and it's quite obvious. I'm sorry but I already pointed out that you do not have a clue what rights, powers and privileges are. If you read my post for comprehension you would know that I never said anything about the Bill of Rights protecting privileges, you don't know what you're talking about. You're not educating me about anything, I've studied the Constitution and civil rights laws and opinions for more than a couple of decades. I've also litigated my own cases and written dozens if not hundreds of legal briefs. We have nothing further to discuss, thanks anyway.
     
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    Reality is the Constitution contains no practical mechanism to enforce it on government as I pointed out in an earlier post. When I posted that the 9th Amendment protects all unenumerated rights it was a response to your question posed to another poster. As Bush allegedly once said, the Constitution is just a gddamn (trying to sneak the word past the auto censor) piece of paper and that's how it's treated by the US government (all 3 branches) despite the pretenses. SCOTUS rarely mentions the 9th Amendment because it's the key Amendment that protects all rights. In fact, worded a different way, it's the only Amendment necessary that protects rights, the first 8 are superfluous.

    There is NO state interest in restricting/legislating bodily autonomy (e.g. the protected right of a woman to choose to have or not have an abortion for one), that is a clear violation of the Bill of Rights.
     
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    I think you misunderstand what is going to happen.

    The overthrow of Roe will be a major earthquake in American society.

    It's unthinkable that it won't have an impact on the midterms and the chances of the Democrats retaining control of Congress.
     
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    quote: I keep having to reduce the size of the font you use when quoting your post because it takes up quite a bit of space. You are embarrassing yourself in giant bold letters. If you're going to universally condemn college professors it would help your credibility if you knew how to spell the word COLLEGE first (or at least look it up). ah! poor baby, that all you got? my font size? poor baby. and spelling. well what can i say? p.s.e., that is what i had. so blame the teachers. lol rofl :roflol: :rock_slayer:
    quote: You are posting opinions on a subject you admit you know nothing about and it's quite obvious. I'm sorry but I already pointed out that you do not have a clue what rights, powers and privileges are. really? i took most of what i posted straight from the constitution. (i have a copy of it next to my computer.) and fyi the constitution in the 1st amendment calls freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion----rights!!!! ---not privileges!! get your copy out and read for yourself. and the 11th amendment (limits) the judicial powers. article 1 sec 9 limits the powers of congress---article 2 section 1 limits the powers of the president. please get out you copy of the constitution and really read it. it destroys your privileges notion. and i know i can't educate you on the constitution, since you seem to refuse to read it. but that is the way it is. too bad. :) :evil:
     
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    And a lot of men are pro-abortion. Polling suggests the the vast majority of adults in the US support abortion to some degree or the other
     
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    Who is "pro-abortion"? Just because someone supports and defends the fundamental (and constitutionally protected) right to bodily autonomy doesn't mean that person is pro-abortion. That's what this is really all about, a woman's right to choose what she can do with her body without state dictated interference (i.e. authoritarianism).
     
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    Well if semantics is the only argument you got, you can take it up with Daniel Webster
     
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    Terminology matters, it's not semantics or the "only argument I got". And Daniel Webster would agree with me and so would the vast majority who support and defend the protected right to bodily autonomy. Pro-abortion is a term used mostly by those who support/demand state control over a woman's right to choose (i.e. authoritarianism), for obvious reasons.
     
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    Yawn.
     
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    That's the only argument you got hypocrite? Pathetic.
     
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    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ :bye:
     
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    AMERICAN LEFT’S MUSHROOM CLOUD: As the clamor and rancor from Democrats goes ever higher in response to The Leak at the Supreme Court, it is now clear that “we have reached the point that the left has decided that policy will not be made like sausage but through tantrum, intimidation, and riot,” opines Issues & Insights (I&I).

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    Yes, they are deranged.
     
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    you do know that polling is easily --rigged---to get the answer you want, right? all you have to do is mainly poll in either majority blue or red area's to get the numbers to go the way you want. the only poll is a election, that i say is somewhat (at least up to the last election) true. :evil:
     
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    It wont be my side.

    It will be Christian and national facists.
     

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