Breakthrough: Kerry announces peace talks' resumption

US State Secretary John Kerry announced an agreement has been reached on the resumption of peace talks between the Israelis and the Palestinians in a press conference in Jordan's capital Amman, after a series of meetings in Jordan and Ramallah with Palestinian officials.
Tzipi Livni, the minister in charge of the negotiation on the Israeli side, the prime minister's emissary Yitzhak Molcho and Palestinian Chief Negotiator Saeb Erekat are expected to meet in Washington as early as next week for the beginning of the talks.
Kerry and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu talked on the phone several times on Friday in order to formalize the final agreement. Though Israel has not agreed to any preconditions, it has been agreed that Israeli overtures to the Palestinians will probably include the release of veteran Palestinian prisoners and significant economic gestures. The Paletinians, on their side, have agreed not to act unilaterally in September for the establishment of a Palestinian state.
The breakthrough was achieved after Kerry's meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Ramallah on Friday afternoon. Earlier the US state secretary met with Palestinian Chief Negotiator Saeb Erekat.
According to forecasts, the negotiations will open without preconditions, will last between nine months to a year, and will discuss all the core issues. In the course of negotiations, the timetable for the overtures will be decided. Though the talks will be handled at first by Livni and Erekat it is estimated that later the talks will move up to involve Netanyahu and Abbas .
The negotiations are expected to be conducted under a shroud of secrecy, the same as the process to renew the talks was handled, the aim being to avoid public pressure and disturbances.
Though Israel has not committed to any precondition, all issues, including borders and settlements, will be discussed in the talks. The Americans will accompany the negotiations, and will act as a mediator on conflicts that may blow up the talks

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4407202,00.html

A black day for most pro Islamists.. some are against Israel, Some are against Abu Adolf mazen, some
just love to incite.
Every future agreement will not be welcomed by many palestinians including Bedouin Gazans.
I wonder if the palestinians will lower the hatred flames during the peace talks ... Who an i kidding ...

 

The US of AIPAC is not fit to be a broker for peace. Obama disgraced himself when he vetoed his own policy on Palestine's full membership at the United Nations. The US of AIPAC talks Statehood whilst it helps fund illegal squats and military attacks on Palestine. Negotiagtions are one thing. Permitting a thoroughly biased broker is crass stupidity.

 

Washington ? Jesus H. Christ ! Why not Tel Aviv ?


Since the Palestinians refused to have any dealings with the US of AIPAC/Zionists they have;

1)Achieved full membership of UNESCO

2)Been recognised as a State on the pre-1967 borders by 138 of the world's countries ( 9 voted against, including the US of AIPAC and Israel )

3) Had the EU pass a binding directive that forces Israel to acknowledge its occupier status in any arrangements between EU States and any occupied territories, including the Golan.

Wtf would Abbas want to go to Washington ? Sod Washington. It's an extention of the Knesset.


It gets worse ;

Livni is a suspected war criminal ! She's liable to arrest in Universal Jurisdiction countries.

Same as it ever was. kerry's claim that the negotiations would be based upon pre-1967 borders has already been torpedoed by Netanyahu's coalition fascist, Bennet.

 

Now to the substance of your post.

UNESCO - a most admirable organization. I guess its the american express of international bodies - membership has its priviledges.

Offical observer status at the UN. Membership in that gigantic group of two doesn't have its privileges since they can't vote.

Nice mischaracterization of the EU directive. The Israeli supreme court has ruled that the WB is in a state of belligerent occupation and I doubt there is an Israeli on the planet that does not recognize that Israel's "possession of the WB" is an occupation.

Washington is an extention of the Knesset? You do love to make idiotic statements completely divorced from reality. Just to refresh your memory, you posted a little while ago - like earlier today that the Knesset was running around trying to humiliate Kerry in his efforts to restart the peace talks, and then when he actually stomps on the paltry opposition of a few ignorant neo-zionist extremists, you now claim his efforts were directed by the knesset in the first place.

One of your better demonstrations of consistency.

and as for going to washington - I agree nothing ever gets accomplished there


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despite the bogus accusations, for some reason she seems to have assisted in bringing this resumption into being. NO doubt a flurry of additional accusations of criminality will soon follow.

So Bennet now runs the state of Israel. I didn't know that. Seems that Bibi is a tad more pragmatic than that whacko extremist Bennet. Let's hope that Abbas can be a tad more pragmatic than that whacko extremist Haniyah - oh wait, Hamas isn't even included inthe talks. Looks like Abbas only represents one of the palestinian governments. Hmmmmmmm.




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If Kissinger,George Schultz,and Baker could not broker a deal,pretty sure Kerry can't.

 

The talks have not been resumed. 'If everything goes as expected' they will meet to talk about talks

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...-negotiate-restart-of-peace-talks-john-kerry/

According to RT Israel is so angry about the EU directive that it is not going to bother going through the 'gesture' of peace talks anymore.

I can't see the point of these talks apart from as show.

However the EU has at last done the undo able and let Israel know there are consequences for her actions. Once started these can escalate quickly particularly as we are more or less at the 'impossibility' of a valid contiguous state for the Palestinians. I'm not sure why Abbas is doing this. Would I be right in thinking reconciliation did not quite make it? That being said Hamas and the people in Gaza are in (*)(*)(*)(*) as Egypt has closed it's tunnels. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/19/palestinians-gaza-city-smuggling-tunnels

 

It's much better for the Palestinian resistance if the Israelis remain intransigent and stupid.

 

palestinian bedouin resistance ?
This view somehow is against an earlier opinion you wrote several times in the past where most Palestinians are really interested in peace.

 

Yeah but he can still resolve the problem by granting everybody more than enough land so that no one has to fight any more. One state can stay, and the other state can go to live on Kerry's giant oval face.

 

You miss the point. Israeli intransigence generates more and more support for the Palestinians. The Palestinians want an end to the occupation. That's the foremost objective.

 

Nothing will come of this because both sides want to retain the status quo. They are merely playing lip service to the US, as has happened in countless previous encounters.

 

That's the tumor. Israel whine and cry because homeless kids who have had their homes and families demolished are throwing rocks at their armored tanks.

And then trying to play the victim, even though they know the occupation is why they encounter resistance. Name ONE country in the world you could invade, evict and colonize and no kids will throw rocks at you.

End the occupation.. Extract the tumor. Cut off the snake's head. etc. treat the cause, not the symptoms.

Israel aren't planning on leaving. This is a long term takeover and it's clear to anyone watching.

 

The United States of America cannot be an honest broker of peace talks between Israel and Palestine. The said talks are thus doomed to failure. I suspect Fatah is only participating in order to try once again to gain ascendancy over its rival Hamas.

 

Quite; and anyone even considering Washington and its lock-step support for Israel to be an honest and impartial broker is deluding himself.

 

Exactly so. However, if the Palestinian deputation focuses on issues which are supported by international law- and the Zionists reject the law- then there is much to be gained. The victory for Palestine here is not for Israel to agree to anything, it's for Israel to reject international law. Palestine's greatest advantage is its legal standing. Israel's position must be publicised as illegitimate.

As a matter of course, anything that the US of AIPAC says can be immediately disregarded.

 

What are the zionists going to negotiate about - how many Palestinians to put in their extermination camps perhaps? This is a tedious propaganda gesture by the Americans, utterly pointless.

 

American ...er....prestige....suffered very badly when Obama vetoed his own policy at the UN. The world simply went on without him. Holding these talks in Washington is supposed to give a lift to US of AIPAC credibility. It might also- in the eyes of deluded Democrats- be designed to put Kerry in the spotlight as Obama's replacement. The Republicans would have to forward a worse candidate than Sarah Palin in order to lose against Kerry. Geez, he couldn't even beat Guantanamo George. I could have beat Guantanamo George wearing a kefiyeh and a Confederate flag.

 

Esma Ya Arabs - Listen in english -
The thread op - "Kerry announces peace talks' resumption".
Your BS comments - "extermination camps , US of AIPAC , Guantanamo" , etc...
YOUR HATRED IS THE CAUSE OF YOUR MISERY.

 

Anybody who can't see that the US of AIPAC position is phony is in a minority.

 

What a farce ! Can anybody really be fooled by this attempt to paint the fascist, Netanyahu, as a peacemaker ?

 

Exactly. The occupation isn't legal, but, let's say it is. EVEN IF you have a legal mandate to occupy a land, you STILL cannot transfer civilian populations there. That is purely against law, in black and white, and the fact that the settlements represent a crime is readily apparent to almost the entire globe, save the USA (actually the USA know they just don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*)).

But people advocate crime.. So many. Drone strikes, torture, you name it. Not me. You won't find me do that. I may say Palestinian rockets and stones are hardly a threat, but I'll still say they shouldn't be fired off at people.

At the very most, I'll offer somebody a joint or bong or something, and I suppose that's me advocating crime but not like this. I don't know how all these Israeli supporters can sit there and justify the transfer of a civilian population to an occupied territory, considering it is universally recognized as against the law except maybe to Israel.

There are a lot of crime advocates on this board.

 

And yet they still aren't in civil or military control of more than half of the west bank (area C), settlement construction continues unabated, and the IDF still patrols in Area B as well, you see meaningless pronouncements of the OIC dominated UNGA do jack and (*)(*)(*)(*) to effect the facts on the ground, the only way they are ever going to achieve actual sovereign statehood is through direct negotiations, but of course people don't actually want that because it might actually lead to a permanent peace settlement and normalized relations with Israel.

 

Ya because the U.S. isn't the largest aid supporter to the PA or anything.

 

a thoughtful couple of articles from 972

http://972mag.com/barring-a-miracle-kerrys-breakthrough-is-bad-news/76125/

this certainly has been my concern that the EU as well would be quite happy to see the Palestinians stuck in this hell.

as he rightfully says in the second article all this happening at a time when the Palestinians position was producing results

http://972mag.com/the-cost-of-kerrys-breakthrough-part-2/76197/

 

Overt propaganda, there are no "extermination camps" in the disputed territories.