Brexit based on lies my request to Mr May

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    You're not British, are you, because, unless you're British or waiting to have a bilateral deal with the UK, your opinion on Brexit doesn't matter.
    Like German users stuck in the EU, the EU is the thing the UK is divorcing that Germany is married to still, or Ireland, they're married to the EU, their opinion on what they think the UK should do doesn't matter when it comes to Brexit, because they're not in the UK, they're in the EU.


    If Theresa May was Henry VIII, we'd be catholic right now.
     
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    Do you even know what freedom of movement is or why there's EU migrants bussing tables and cleaning houses in London? Freedom of movement and freedom of movement alone.

    Because freedom of movement, unskilled migrants can come to the UK and live and work, no questions asked.
     
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    So?

    They're not the only ones. I think Europe can do what it wants with the EU, just stop bitching about what Brexit UK does in the event of no deal.

    America first is better than EU period.

    A deal with the EU means it's either the EU's way or sanctions.
     
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    I know that, that is true.
    You failed to mention I couldn't do the same for the unskilled person from Romania saying I should complain to Parliament about what they're already protecting me from unskilled people from Kansas while Romanians are allowed to do it and having nobody to complain to in the UK about it.

    All ending freedom of movement means is, protecting the local labour market from unskilled workers.

    Do you think I want unskilled people from Kansas living and working here? - and I should perhaps complain to my MP for stopping this? - lol. No, I think it's unfair they can't but someone in the EU can. That's not fair.
    Freedom of movement allows unskilled migration.
     
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    America first is better ?
    Is that so ?
     
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    Compared to EU total dominance and it being EU and that's it.
     
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    EU citizens are no migrants ... next lie! They are citizens of the EU and due to freedom of movement they can live and work inside the EU where they want ... as all Brits can do!

    The ... or one of the main charges is that these people do wage dumping, right?
    Funny ... why are you British actually unable to make laws against it as we Germans ... EU compliant laws ... prevent this and then enforce it by means of the competent authorities. At least as many Poles, Romanians & Co. live with us as with you, but they can not legally steal jobs by wage dumping ... and woe if they get caught!

    And let's go into the details ... for example, in your retirement homes and in the mobile care services, many of these people work and take care of the care of your elderly people who need care. This is a damn badly paid job that hardly any British want to do ... but you do not want higher salaries either, because then the care of your parents and grandparents suddenly costs a lot more, which you do not want. What is your Brexit solution here, eh?

    So do not give me with such a hypocrisy ...
     
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    Yes ... you can't do that with a citizen from Romania ... because Romania is part of the EU. That they are member of the EU = good or bad is another question and I would agree with you that it is bad ... but the fact is, they are.

    The impudence of you Brexit advocates is that you will not allow citizens form this or that EU member state a freedom of movement into the UK, but the official Brexit adcocates demanded from the EU that a full freedom of movement for all Brits must be given in all other 28 EU member states ... and during Brexit negotiations they demanded this again.

    And the real crap is that you could decide not to enter this freedom of movement agreement, as you decided not to enter other agreements like Schengen too. But again ... this is not what you wanted, because you want to have an impudent cherry picking here!

    And again ... when your governments were and are to unable to make usdefull laws to prevent such miss-use like we did in Germany ... then blame your politicians for it and not the EU!
     
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    America first means total dominance, my way or the high way.
     
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    You are just getting to know and understnad the power of the EU as a community with your Brexit ... something that was clear from the beginning like 1 + 1 = 2 ... but you Brits could not imagine.
    That's why Trump hates the EU ... because here he is / the US is at maximum on par with the EU in terms of power relations and thus Trump is not in any superior bargaining position ... the opposite is more likely the case!
    And this is now, too, the reason why you are angry too after you had to learn who has the power in the negotiations!

    Do you seriously think that you Britons can negotiate anything on par with the US under an "America First Donald Trump"?
    Sorry, he will sinply dictate to you how a trade deal should look like and that's it with negotiations!
     
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    And that's why Brexit needs to end EU freedom of movement in the UK, so unskilled EU migrants
    (they are migrants) can't live and work in the UK thus protecting the UK labour market from the flood of EU migrants bussing tables and cleaning houses and washing cars at car washes.

    The EU isn't a country, they left their countries to come to the UK, that's why they're migrants. Freedom of movement saturates the labour market (which is a bad thing for local workers), ending freedom of movement would be a protectionist measure. You can't spell protectionist, without protection.
     
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    It just means, make room for America in UK markets.
    At the moment, the UK is making way for the EU, well, change that, make it transatlantic, and the UK service industry that includes banking will seek more access to Wall Street.
     
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    Now I get it, you mean sell out.
     
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    Why on earth...? The more we keep American trash products out the better and why should we allow Wall Street to rape the London money markets?

    No chance, mate.
     
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    Sorry ... but why could we Germans woking laws to prevent all that what you are annoyed about on this issue, eh? Blame the UK governemnts and your politicians for this and not the EU and the free moverment issue, for own Britisch incomptence!
     
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    Get a clue, stop hating America, look at your local Lidl or Aldi, trash products from Germany.
    You're all for letting Brussels rape the City of London and City of Westminster, like they've raped Ireland, and you forget who's the UK's friend historically.
    You want trade with enemies in the hopes we'd be friends, when trade should be between friends, and **** the EU.
    What about all the EU migrants in the UK with freedom of movement.
    Do me a favour and remember this is the UK and not some small country in Europe like Romania or Ireland.

    Why do we want the EU to rape the UK labour markets and customs BLOCKING American?
    We want less ungrateful idiots and if you wish to remain in the EU, then why not go to Ireland, and stay in Ireland, if you want to remain in the EU, then the EU's where you should remain.

    Remember a time when they said if the UK doesn't join the single currency the UK would crash and burn without it?
    That didn't happen, and neither will it happen in the event of a no deal Brexit, you beaten into submission ally hating EU wanting simpleton unable to look towards the future but eyes rooted into a past that allowed the EU to control the UK.
     
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    I'm British, at the moment I can buy eggs that have bird poop on them.
    Nuff said.
     
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    And?
     
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    Would it hurt anybody to wash an egg like US customs?
    I argue that white eggs without bird poop on are better.

    The EU argues that crappy sugary fruit juice from Lidl is better, what a weak argument.
     
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    German trash products ... lol! But OK ... your opinion and even ... I let it, because superfluous! ;-)

    Now, when you seriously start calling Ireland a historical friend of UK, I have to seriously ask you where you learned history.
    And how did a famous Brit once say? "We British have the privilege and the power to forgive our enemies at any time and give our friends a kick in the butt at any time as a thank you!" You can tell ... some people still seem to believe this and have no idea that 99% of what they blame the EU for is solely the fault of British politics and governments, because unlike others, they are not the ones they need Things ... EU compliant ... as others have done.
     
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    Come to the UK, and compare a Tesco to a Lidl, and you'd know what we mean by 'nasty Lidl food'.
    Aldi too, disgusting compared to Sainsbury's.

    Ireland, friends? Maybe, but really, USA, friends for sure.
    I'm talking about the US, everyone knows Ireland want the UK to be in the EU so Ireland can feel equal to the UK.
    Ireland are a small country in a bloc. When they talk, it's the EU27's voice speaking for Germany.

    If the UK wants to be stronger than Ireland, doesn't matter. Ireland should remember they have no currency of their own anymore, and as we speak, Angelar Merkel is telling them what to do in their own puppet of a country not big enough to be without the EU.
     
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    You yourself said it @Mandelus that EU migrants in the UK aren't migrants despite coming from EU countries that's not the UK that don't pay as much as the UK.
    How is that Parliament's fault when EU's freedom of movement is to blame.

    The EU isn't a country, it spans rich economies and poor economies.
     
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    Ehm ... you know that such eggs in the EU are quite allowed and you can even buy them ... at least here in Germany ... also at ALDI and LIDL? Call themselves then BIO eggs and of course also cost more than those from the egg factories!

    The same is true even for fruit juice. You can buy the simple and cheap orange sugar plague at us at Aldi in a 1.5 liter bottle called orange juice. You can buy the more expensive in 1 liter bottle ... and you can even buy natural BIO orange juice in 1 liter, which must even be in the refrigerated counter and does not last as long as there is no preservative.

    But I'd like to let you know why you do not have that in the UK ... because it's your local UK health regulations that are stricter than those of the EU!

    And again ... guilty = UK itself ... do not blame the EU!

    By the way ... what do you think, who wants to make your hotel the room - / housekeeping for low UK standard saleries ... instead of Polish and others from Eastern Europe?
     
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    What about poor uneducated Brits who can't get a job?
    Turning to knife crime because they can't get a job?
    Polish people can work in France and Ireland if they're unskilled, and leave local workers in the UK to buss tables and wash cars and clean homes.

    Don't uneducated Brits need that job taken by an EU migrant?

    The jobs market is saturated with EU migrants of no skills taking basic jobs away from locals.
     
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    Do you seriously believe that Trump will make you a super trade deal and that you are in some great bargaining position ... both in terms of your exports to the US (which have always been a matter of the UK only without any EU involvement anyway) and imports from the US to you?

    Really?

    For the rest, see my previous post ... and blame your UK authorities for your strict sanitation laws, which are stricter than those of the EU.
    And accuse the UK consumers of buying the "crap" because if they would not do it in large numbers, the crap would fly out of the assortment!

    Of course, there are poor and rich member countries in the EU ... but that is not the problem and I want to enlighten you:

    I have been married to a Polish girl for 15 years and she has worked for years in housekeeping of hotels at the legal minimum wage of 8.50 EUR / hour. (now it is 9,19 EUR/ hour) Almost all hotels let sub-contractorn do that, because they would have to pay more for their own housekeeping.
    Not one of my wife's colleagues had been German, because nobody does this physically demanding and often disgusting work (many hotel guests are simply pigs) for the salary. But 8.50 EUR / hour is in Poland and many other countries a lot of money ...

    Now we can endlessly discuss whether the statutory minimum wage must be higher, so that it is more attractive to Germans. He is not and the 8.50 EUR / hour will be paid to everyone, no matter if German or Polish or whatever! And a higher salerie as that is not really wanted, becausew the costs to rent a room in a Hotel raise depending!

    And in the UK? Do you really believe the situation is another one? NOT AT ALL!!!!
    Here we in UK the so called „National Minimum Wage“ (NMW) which si currently 6.70 GBP .... what is about 7,80 EUR in moment and so noteable lesser as in Germany and also paid in general and no matter if British, Polish or whatever ...

    So ... if after Brexit these evil Polish girls and women who make this job are not allowed to work further at you because they rob the jobs of Brits ... who does it then for same money in UK or areyou willing to pay noteable more in a hotel in future?
     
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