Brexit based on lies my request to Mr May

Then ask them why thes uneducated Brits don't do this jobs for the „National Minimum Wage“ (NMW) of 6.70 GBP / hour, eh?

Ask them, why they don't move their ass to work for this money and so why no other as these evil migrants as you call them do it at least!

P.S.
Or take the care service for old people and other people in need of care ... also a shitty job that is poorly paid and that no British really want to go for the money ... but where no Briton is willing to pay more, because The care of the relatives is then drastically more expensive ... what the Brits don't want too.

 

Your Polish wife was only allowed to take that job in Germany because of Freedom of Movement.
If we stop that, then maybe a German could have done her job, but instead, she took some job that pays more than it does in her home country.

UK minimum wage is now £8.30 per hour, and London has a higher minimum wage because of a higher living cost in London.

You 're too quick to call uneducated workers lazy in Germany and UK, blind to the fact that jobs are taken by Eastern Europeans where pay is lower.

Your Polish wife never got an education, but that didn't stop her from leaving her home country for a better life at the expense of a local worker in Germany.

 

You didn't understand that ... my wife could have done only due to free movement, but because married wirh me for sure. But there is simply rarely any German doing this job, because for this low money they don't do it in Gemrany and for same low money are a bunch of other, lesser hard jobs as alternative too ... and also in the UK. You cann call them lazy out of this ... but it does not change the fact that there are these jobs and without these people from Eastern Europe, no one si simply doing the job ... and a higher wage is also not wanted for these jobs, because this will it make more expensive for the final consumer.
ANd there a bunch of such jobs in every country!

OK, now 8.30 GBP ... I had wrong information ... but this is about the same as our current minimum wage of 9.19 EUR. But this is paid to all doing the job, no matter of which origin! Correct?

 

Freedom of movement stops local workers from taking local work.
A customs union with the EU stops a UK US trade deal.

 

What's the minimum wage in Poland or Romania?

This year Poland raised their minimum wage to 3.10 Euros an hour.

And it's only rare to see a German doing such a job in Germany because it's common to see EU migrants saturating the jobs market. The only people you can blame is the EU and Freedom of Movement for not protecting the jobs market against EU migrants.

 

Also, UK and USA both speak English, if there was freedom of movement in such a deal, there wouldn't be the need to learn a new language moving to Malibu.

 

In Poland is not Euro the currency, but Zloty. As far as I know it is about 12.00 Zloty

And your claim is ... sorry nonsense ... because these jobs existed all the time and as better people in average live in a country, as lesser are willing to do the evil jobs for low money ... because they have an alternative and are not forced to do!
But these jobs exist further and in the end, the society is not willing to give a higher wage to motivate natives to do this job instead.

Look ... Care Service:
A Polish specialist earns in Poland about a quarter of that in the UK or Germany for same work. There are simply not enough Brits and Krauts wanting to learn this eally hard job and then do this job for 8.30 GBP / 9.19 EUR per hour only! THIS IS FACT!

So wjhat to do? You seriously say "kick the migrants doing it out and then natives will do it?" Which natives please, Are they suddenly growing on trees and falling down because thousands of them want to do the job for the money? Bullshit! Where were they all the time before, when they were badly wanted and then you gave the job to the Eastern Europeans, because nobody wanted to make it?

 

Sure ... but it was all the time depending on you, whom from outside of the EU you will give something like a "free movement Greencard" for the UK and whom not. It was not an issue of the EU here...

And in reverse ... you know that ... depending to source ...between 1.5 to 2 million Brits use currently still this freedom of movement too for working in other European countries?

I remember very well a time, when many British craftsmen from various trades came to Germany and here a new existence and partly not only worked for a German company, but even founded small craft companies themselves.
Was that a problem or is it a problem somehow today? No! Not even the craftsmen were upset, because of foreign competition!
It lacked skilled workers in the craft with us ... and so many customers got to feel the dastisch: Since the roof is broken and it is a damage that can repair only a craftsman and it rains constantly pure. So take the phone and .... "OK, we can give them an appointment in 4 weeks, we are full of orders and the next 20 other calls brought no better result!

Or take the two cousins of my wife, craftsmen in the drywall, who came over, worked hard and build up their own craft company for a few years in which they gave 3 Germans a new job and 1 apprentice!
Is that evil ... evil migrants?

 

It is the same old same old story. The locals get "rich" and than do not want to do the crappy jobs, which allows folks from low income countries to come in and do the crappy jobs.
The locals than complain that those foreign workers are than taking the jobs away and are depressing wages.

 

Freedom of Movement and illegal immigration allows for citizens of low income countries to do crappy jobs in higher income economies.

Ending Freedom of Movement protects crappy jobs from getting taken by EU migrants.
There's already harsh fines on employers found employing illegal immigrants, why not outlaw employing unskilled EU migrants making employers employing them subject to harsh fines? That would help unskilled Brits find work in the UK.

 

I live in Colorado, despite the very harsh laws concerning illegal employment, it has not stopped it, in my State.
Why? People in Colorado do not want to do those jobs, despite minimum wage at $ 11.32.
Nobody wants to work on the fields as a harvester, except legal and illegal Latinos. They tried prison gangs, but you can not force a person to work.
Well you can, get that whip out or use any other method of punishment, including public flogging and hanging for lassies to make your point.
Probably good entertainment for some.
Mind you, harvesting is a skill, a serious skill.
Same for the folks that do Hotelrooms or work in the laundry. Those are very skilled workers and they are timed in their output.
The turn around times in those jobs are very tight, you have to work your butt of and produce a first class product.

I am in that business and have to demand, extreme turn overs and superior quality.
I do not hire illegals, the laws are to punishing, it would be stupid, but I have a serious problem getting people to do the job.
Its work, real work and demands a high quality standard, day in day out.
I pay far above Colorado minimum, which is 11.32, but my turned around rate, because it is serious physical work and nasty, seriously nasty, is stunning.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

You're quick to call locals lazy because you'd have to pay them more which'll cost you more, another reason why EU migrants in the UK aren't doing UK jobs any favours, just employers, but what about the employees?

If a local worker doesn't want to do the job, just make the job pay more.
That way the employee can probably afford to rent.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about.
30 years ago I was able to hire plenty at 3.25. No problem at all. 3.25 was even than a pittance, that was minimum, starting wage at a unskilled labour job, real physical labour, work.
Today, I am sorry, 15.00 or 20.00, pffffffffffffffff, for a job that require physical labour, speed and quality, the locals, if you depend on them, like me, you are seriously screwed.
You scrape the very bottom of the barrel and have a turn around rate, which makes your head spin.
I am not a seasonal business so I can not take advantage of the special visas, I need long time employees, skilled workers from the local employee market, long time is more that a years.
Ain't there.
The locals do not cut it, simple as that.
I wish I could, tempted, but reason prevents it, hire illegals, for 11.23 and 12.00 next year.

I am not that stupid, I do that job myself, overtime, or quit.

 

Well, in the UK, EU migrants are like legal illegals.
The only legality these people have stopping them from being deported back to their own countries so locals could do their job is freedom of movement.

It's like dumping on to the labour market under cutting locals because locals might want more money. Instead, locals leave school with no jobs because some EU migrant's working it calling the local lazy wondering why local kids are turning to knife crime stabbing each other.
There's nothing for uneducated people to do if they can't get a job and nobody wants to hire them. Chances are a local's job has been taken by an unskilled EU migrant because minimum wage is better than their own country's minimum wage.

 

In every country there are low paid jobs ... they always exist and they will always exist. Often, these jobs are also shitty jobs, hard and physically exhausting.
As a rule, their own population only makes these jobs majority if the economic situation in the country leaves no real alternatives to jobs. But if there are the alternative jobs and the number of unemployed is low, then you do not even have enough theoretical compatriots to do these jobs ... but the staffing requirements are still there!

Look ... you yourself would be willing to do such a bad job only if you have no alternative, eh?
How makes the job then instead?

 

If EU migrants can get these jobs, why can't the uneducated locals get them? Nothing prevents the locals to get them; they just don't want them. If the EU migrant can live with that minimum wage IN THE UK, the uneducated local can as well. The uneducated local has the right to refuse a low wage job, either because he/she is lazy or too proud, but then shouldn't complain.

 

OK so far the EU are saying that May's letter does not follow the EU's conditions for extending the time till Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news

which of course is true.

 

Labour claim May has not moved but seem to believe she still will in the future.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...50-extension-but-only-until-30-june-live-news

 

For me, personally, this sentiment is backwards.
I'm all like, it's not EU, it's me, I'm doing this.
It's not the EU pushing out the UK (rather it seems EU is trying to cling on), no, this is totally me (UK).
This is about Global Britain and trade agreements negotiated for the UK by the UK and whoever wants to trade, and not negotiated by the EU.
UK being in a customs union wouldn't be Brexit.
Let's say the EU have a new regulation, the UK would then have to comply.
This also means that the UK can't cut new deals around the world.

 

Correct if the UK merely remains in a Customs Union with the EU. However today, UK being still in the EU, any new regulation or trade deal made by the EU would be submitted to the UK which has a veto power like any other member.

 

Yes, but that's only until Brexit, and people here argue for a Brexit with a Customs Union, people like Jeremy Corbyn, people like Theresa May.
It's a joke.

 

Absolutely 'a joke' - I mean who would care if a motion were to be vetoed? The only thing that would happen is the veto'ing state would be promptly ignored, then marked down as 'One to keep an eye on, and we'll teach them a lesson for rocking the boat when the next EU budget handout comes around.' These EU trolls must think we're dumb. Or 'uneducated' as one of them describes us?