Brexit Comedy - A reckoning from the other side of the channel!

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  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    It's Comedy Show again in the British House of Commons, with the expected result:

    A majority for the reformed agreement? No
    A majority for a "No Deal Brexit"? No
    A majority for new elections? No
    A majority for a 2nd referendum? No
    A majority for a shift? Possible, but not sure!


    Say, you British comedians, apparently you just agree that you do not agree on how you want to do the Brexit you want?
    But of course the evil EU is ... how could it be otherwise ... also guilty, that you do not even get a majority for such an important thing by yourself in the UK!

    That you Britons have let you be so fooled by the Brexit leaders in the referendum may surprise some to this day, but not me. That Farrage, Johnson & Co had ignited a firework of lies and half-truths, which many apparently even believe until today, even though Farrage himself admitted shortly after the referendum in front of the cameras that he had lied, still plays no role in the UK… what is amazing, however, when liars and cheaters on the people are still being celebrated. Rogues seem to be in high demand in the UK if they are the right villain and so become a new sort of Robin Hood in the eyes of the people who are fooled by them.


    One must understand that in the UK an idiotic mix of particularly

    - "melancholy" about the lost Empire, coupled with a misconception of a Commonwealth, which in reality is just an unimportant club of former British colonies.
    - "perceived humiliation" as a liberator of Europe in 1945 to stand behind the evil Germans and to make even from Brussels rules

    exists, which led these lies of Brexeteers being easy believed. This lets you look deep into the soul of some Britons ... even they are actually ridiculous reasons for me as Foreigner.

    But that's the fact, and I certainly will not play the "Don Quixote" and fight against those windmills of lies and stupid sentiments on your island. You want the Brexit, then please do it ... no matter how!

    I'm tired of reading and hearing your whining about the evil EU, because that we have the current situation, that's you and your fault alone. You've wasted 2 years since the referendum, instead of coming up with constructive suggestions and solutions, preferring to send "no deal advocates" as negotiators, who then purposely and with intention put only unripe Cherry Picking demands ... because they want anyway have no deal! So you guys in the UK, blame it all on your own and forget to blame the EU here!!!

    And I do not want to start with it, which Cherry you all already got as a member that has no one else. For example, no one else will automatically get 66% of his EU contributions immediately back... just the UK only gets!
    Incidentally, these "no deal clowns" are really funny too ... because they justify their attitude and the shrug of a no-deal deal with the WTO rules ... they seem to have no idea what that means for the UK. .. of course for the EU, but you do not care anyway, so I'll stay with you in the UK! But to teach you a little bit about WTO:

    Directly on 30.03.2019, all goods that you want to export to the EU are subject to the same customs duties and tariffs as apply to all others outside the EU and without a bilateral agreement. Many of your goods immediately lose their approval for sale within the EU, because you are no longer part of the EU and there is no agreement that the approvals continue to apply ... so, no deal here too! So it will be hard for someone to buy your goods in the EU, or even legally buy them anyway, without having to get a new approval for the whole procedure!

    I know ... you are talking about the nonsense of Global Britain ... only, 45% of your exports are currently going to the EU and what alternatives do you have from 30.03.2019 on for these exports?

    Of course, this will run exactly the same as for imports from the EU ... but no matter how and what you do here ... here is EU law again, because even exports to the UK are of the same affected and can no longer take place due to lack of EU approval for export. One serious example: You do not produce important isotopes for the treatment and treatment of cancer by your own and they come exclusively from Germany. But since you are no longer a member of the EU from 30.03.2019 on, the EU agreement for the export of these drugs is no longer valid and de facto German companies will be banned under EU law and also under British law to sell the items to you due to lack have an agreement = deal for it. Your cancer patients will be pleased ... so, no deal as you want to have it!


    Conclusion: So go ... go with your queen, your mistaken belief in an Empire and the Commonwealth what does not exist and so on, but please go as you want on 29/03/2019!

    But woe to you ... and especially these no deal clowns ... then starts to cry, because it crashes in all corners and has disadvantages and problems and accuses the EU! Then I just laugh at you because of your own stupidity and because it's your own fault!

    By bye Britannia!
     
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    The Don Well-Known Member

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    Even as an arch "Remoaner", I don't think that a no-deal Brexit will result in an end-of-days scenario in which the UK becomes like Mad Max but with crappy weather.

    IMO there may be short-term shortages of some things while kinks in the supply chain are worked out and UK industrial output will likely take quite a hit in the short-term but will gradually recover (albeit to a level far below where it would have been had Brexit not happened). It'll be like the 1970s all over again, uncomfortable but now the end of the world as we know it.

    The long term issues are however going to be profound. The UK economy will likely be 5%-15% smaller than it would have been, and that gap will compound over time. We'll gradually slip out of the global top-10. The UK's international "clout" will be reduced and increasingly we will gravitate towards the US sphere of influence. In order to compete globally, we will need to reduce regulations, wages, environmental and workers' protections and attempt to compete with the BRICs (and perhaps some economies a layer down) on price rather than with the top tier economies on innovation and technology.

    I also do not think the UK will ever apply for readmission to the EU. The EU will be blamed for everything bad that happens to the UK by both the politicians eager to cover up their own mess and incompetence and by the right wing press. Enough people (52% ?) will believe this nonsense that rejoining the EU will be anathema. :(
     
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  3. Mandelus

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    No ... of course this will not be a "Judgment Day" and then no Mad Max will drive through the streets of London etc ... :-D

    Only ... since the "No Deal Clowns" like to invoke the fact that then WTO rules apply, I just wanted to show just what these WTO Rules mean.
    There is my opinion and question whether these clowns even know what that means for the UK, quite justified.

    On top of that, I have such a small suspicion that some of them are bluffing and speculating that the EU is about to break for the deadline. Unfortunately, this will not happen ...
     
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    yeah Europe... fcku you too!
     
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    If they don't do what you want you could always try invading again.
     
  6. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Lol ... if all the arguments go out, then comes again the evil WW-2 club because of the bad Germans.
    Only ... unlike 1940 there is no need for such a thing!

    A round of compassion for you, because you can not enforce your will? Ooooh! Lol :)

    And by the way ... say fcku you EU and not Europe, or don't you geographically belong to the continent with the Brexit further too?
     
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    ...yup that as well....:)
     
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    From watching Westminster last night, it's obvious this has now become a struggle against the people by their representatives - how effing surreal is that?
     
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    Unsurprisingly I disagree. Parliament appears to accurately reflect the views of the people - no clear majority for any single course of action.

    Just under half the people (possibly more than half now depending on demographics and opinion changes) want to remain in the EU.

    Support for a hard Brexit, or a no deal Brexit appears to be somewhere between 30% and 40%.

    Depending on how the question is asked, support for EEA membership or Customs Union soft-Brexit seems to be around the 30% mark.
     
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    I don't accept that, and in the absence of any evidence whatsoever, nor do I believe it.
     
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    There was a referendum and 48% of people voted to remain.

    Subsequent opinion polls conducted by yougov have shown that support for remaining has increased slightly.

    https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questio...n-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

    Currently it's
    • 48% wrong to leave the EU
    • 40% right to leave the EU
    • 12% don't know/no opinion
    but it fluctuates
     
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    Yes, it fluctuates; but whichever way it goes - and especially the more the EU interferes, as the ghastly Tusk just has - the more readily the Leave camp will regroup. We don't want to be governed by effing foreigners, especially useless ones - it isn't the British way: but because of that, there might well be dire repercussions either way. The nationwide division has become quite scary.
     
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    Parliament closed through mind fog, continent cut off!;-)
     
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    That was astonishingly close yesterday ... but again exactly what I said:
    There is no majority for something, just a majority for nothing!

    So you mean that more than half of the British want a No Deal Exit? Mmh ... have you any evidence for it, because that's 52% voted for Brexit does not mean that they all want a no deal Brexit, eh? ;-)
     
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    And since the referendum, opinion polls have shown that Remain has a growing majority of support. Whether it's because people have changed their minds now that it's clear what version(s) of Brexit are actually on offer or whether it simply reflects a demographic shift or a combination of the two isn't clear to me.
     
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    I would also not discount the number of people who voted as a protest vote against the establishment, not really thinking that there was a chance of the leave vote actually happening!
     
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    They probably don't care one way or the other now, they just want to get TF out and have done with it once and for all. But the extra time Tusk has so kindly allowed us will cost us an arm and a leg - that's what he's thinking about deep down. How I loathe the creature! He even looks Machiavellian.
     
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    That really seems to depend on whom you are talking to. I was hearing a lot of that over the past 2 days but then someone said as far as opinion polls go there is still very little difference - though that does seem unlikely with the leavers dying and the remain voters reaching the age to vote.
     
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    Which extra time?
    Since referendum in 2016 the UK had 2 years time to negotiate a pleasing agreement with the EU, but they wasted their time with cherry picking demands which are unacceptable. No wonder about from me, because these British negotiaters were "no deal clowns" and so they had never the desire for any agreement ... also due to have no clue about the issue and what WTO rules mean all for the UK.
    The new strategy of Theresa May now to make big pressure on the parliament with threat to remain beyond the nex EU Parliament elections or to accept the agreeemnt where she faild 2 times, has one weak point: The EU must agree for an extension too ... and Barnier, the negotiator for the EU made a good point about: "Why shall we give it? What will be otherwise in 2 or 3 months as it is now?"

    So which extra time do you mean?

    And what really amazing is that those who shout about the EU and how evil and bad all is, have mostly no real clue about the EU, their institutions such as the Commission, Parliament, European Court of Justice and all EU agencies.

    Look ... I'm German and I know that in UK rugby and cricket are more or less popular sports. But I have no idea about both sports as far as the rules of the game and the whole thing are concerned. So, is it with zero knowledge about these sports valid, OK to be able by me to make any judgment / rating on these sports in matter of being good or bad etc.? Not really...
    Of course, I do not ask that Mrs. Smith from Nottingham, Mr. Miller from Coventry and Miss Jones from London be sufficiently informed about the EU ... but those elected representatives in parliament should already know about the stuff, about which they make judgments and make public-appraisal statements.... but they don't and then their told bullcrap is bleieved to be true by all those who share their opinion!
    How many Britons believed that bullshit of a lie that stood on the famous red bus during the referendum and how many still believe the crap today?

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    Line 1: We send the EU £ 350 million per week
    Fact: Where is written that 66% in the same week go back from the EU to UK (due to agremeent of Margret Thatcher with EU), so £ 231 million go back = net payment 350-231 = £ 119 million to the EU ONLY!!!?

    Line 2: Let's fund our NHS instead
    Fact: How much of the £ 231 million coming back from Brussels every week is going to the NHS? Ehm ... we do better not answer!
     
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    "EU president Donald Tusk says extending Article 50 would be 'rational' solution"

    It's in today's headlines - I'm surprised an insider like you doesn't know about it??
     
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    The results of opinion polls disagree with you. I think you're projecting your opinion onto the population at large.
     
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    Nice ... that's a statement from Tusk that you can agree or not agree with.

    But the important question is: does Tusk also decide whether to do it or not to do it in the EU?

    Please investigate by your own, who finally decides on the EU about and has to approve ... Tip: It is not the hated by you Tusk and also not hated by you Juncker!

    If it's just a matter of a few weeks' delay for technical reasons, so that the No Deal Exit does not end in total chaos, the EU will certainly not say no in its own interest!
    Only when it comes to a general postponement, because your government and your parliament is a single comedy show just agreeing that they do not agree on anything ... then Theresa May has to give a good reason to make a yes and by that I mean a yes from those who actually decide!
     
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    I also suspect that some of the Britons who voted yes to Brexit at the time noticed that they were totally lied to by Farrage and Johnson!
    It has also become clear to some now how much the UK economy depends on the EU common market as a whole.
     
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    I'll let you get back to your megalomaniacal cackling about crushing the UK's sovereignty.
     
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    Say ... have you any clue about the EU in reality, its institutions, system, agreements and agencies and the work they do? Obviously not, otherwise you will not come with this utterly bullcrap of crushing UK sovereignity when no UK sovereignity is crushed in reality!
     

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