Brexit Comedy - A reckoning from the other side of the channel!

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Mandelus, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. The Don

    The Don Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,692
    Likes Received:
    805
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The results of opinion polls disagree with you. I think you're projecting your opinion onto the population at large.
     
  2. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Nice ... that's a statement from Tusk that you can agree or not agree with.

    But the important question is: does Tusk also decide whether to do it or not to do it in the EU?

    Please investigate by your own, who finally decides on the EU about and has to approve ... Tip: It is not the hated by you Tusk and also not hated by you Juncker!

    If it's just a matter of a few weeks' delay for technical reasons, so that the No Deal Exit does not end in total chaos, the EU will certainly not say no in its own interest!
    Only when it comes to a general postponement, because your government and your parliament is a single comedy show just agreeing that they do not agree on anything ... then Theresa May has to give a good reason to make a yes and by that I mean a yes from those who actually decide!
     
  3. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I also suspect that some of the Britons who voted yes to Brexit at the time noticed that they were totally lied to by Farrage and Johnson!
    It has also become clear to some now how much the UK economy depends on the EU common market as a whole.
     
  4. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2015
    Messages:
    44,210
    Likes Received:
    25,688
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'll let you get back to your megalomaniacal cackling about crushing the UK's sovereignty.
     
  5. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Say ... have you any clue about the EU in reality, its institutions, system, agreements and agencies and the work they do? Obviously not, otherwise you will not come with this utterly bullcrap of crushing UK sovereignity when no UK sovereignity is crushed in reality!
     
  6. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are opinion polls, and there are 'opinion polls', if I make myself clear. I'll expand upon it if you want me to, but meanwhile consider 'loaded questions'??
     
  7. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd give anything to know why you're so interested - some would say obsessed? - with this subject, Mandelus?
     
  8. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because so much bullshit and lies are told from the UK, coupled with incredible ignorance of the facts, that it hurts!

    Nice that you're upset about Tusk and Juncker ... your right to be and a fan of both I am not too ... only, they do NOT decide on EU site about your Brexit! That is what the EU Council is doing and is made up of whom ...? ;-)

    It pisses me off now, what kind for an incredible fireworks of lies and accusations from the UK came and still comes ... exactly because this Cerberus!
     
  9. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you tell me please, Mandelus - when was the last time the EU budget accounts were signed off?
     
  10. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure, no problem...

    The budget is decided on a yearly basis by the European Parliament and the Council of the European Union on the basis of a proposal from the European Commission (Article 314 TFEU). The responsibility for implementing the budget lies with the European Commission and the Member States (Article 317 TFEU). However, the annual budget is included in a multiannual financial framework (MFF, "financial perspective" until 2009), which fixes the level of revenue and expenditure for seven years (Article 312 TFEU). The MFF is adopted unanimously by the Council on the basis of a proposal from the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament. The current MFF is valid for the period from 2014 to 2021.

    Any questions?
    Is anything bad on this, which was decided yby your British govenrment too as by all other EU gvernments, which form the EU Council who has the power to decide by voting with 1 vote per member state?
     
  11. The Don

    The Don Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,692
    Likes Received:
    805
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The question asked has been identical, the polling organisation is reputable (yougov).

    Perhaps you inhabit a bubble where most or all of your friends and acquaintances share your views and where your news sources (Daily Mail, Sun and Daily Express) reinforce those views. I can understand in that case why you think Brexit has overwhelming support but it appears that the British electorate are as split on Brexit as they were back in 2016 and as split as our elected representatives appear to be.
     
  12. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Spare me all the bureaucratic gobble-de-gook, just tell me when was the last time it was properly audited and signed off as being valid by the President of the European Union?
     
  13. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    'yougove'!!!! :roflol: :roflol: Well sources don't come more virtuous than a government body do they? :wall:
     
  14. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2015
    Messages:
    9,593
    Likes Received:
    1,709
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ehm ... which President of the European Union? Ehm ... there is no one existing!

    And mate ... please read again ... the first part and the last part and you have your answer.
     
  15. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The sitting President at the time of the audits?? For example, the current President of the European Union is Tusk

    I don't understand that 'answer' - only someone who is part of the EU bureaucracy would understand it. Just please give me a year, or a link where I can have sight the audit report? And please - no more obfuscation, because I'm sick of it.[/QUOTE]
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2019
  16. The Don

    The Don Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,692
    Likes Received:
    805
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yougov isn't a government body - it's a privately owned company.

    If you'd like to suggest another polling organisation which has a timeline of support for Brexit, then please name it and we can take a look at its results.
     
  17. David Landbrecht

    David Landbrecht Newly Registered

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2018
    Messages:
    244
    Likes Received:
    102
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Male
    The aspect of "Theater of the Absurd" is very strong in this continuing soap opera. Especially how the Brits have created a huge problem for themselves in wanting to 'leave' a Europe they never really joined and now want to rely on that Europe to solve the problem for them.
    Comedy or tragedy? Perhaps too soon to tell.
     
    freedom8 likes this.
  18. cerberus

    cerberus Banned Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Messages:
    24,756
    Likes Received:
    5,089
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And in all likelihood the recipient of government funding. A 'privately owned' propaganda outfit, as it were?

    Sorry but I don't know any!
     
  19. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,780
    Likes Received:
    910
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In all fairness the EU budget responsibility is actually not that bad - consider the level of benefits fraud here in the UK and relative lack of enforcement in actually getting the fraud policed and funds returned and benefits cheat up in front of the beek. I am probably wrong but of the total EU budget 80% is administered by the individual countries and of the remaining 20% that is retained by the "Commission" as it were the expenditure as quite strictly controlled. I think the charge of auditing irregularities is a kind of red herring.
    The biggest issue with the "mis-management" was payments to Airlines like Ryanair, Air Berlin, Easyjet et al to use airports that were struggling - the airports received EU money to pay to the airlines to use their airports. This has stopped.
     
  20. The Don

    The Don Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2018
    Messages:
    1,692
    Likes Received:
    805
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Stop throwing around unsupported allegations.

    If you have evidence that yougov is an unreliable pollster then please provide it.

    Then how do you have any idea as to support (or otherwise) for Brexit outside your bubble ?
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2019

Share This Page