Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

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  1. Canell

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    Make Britain Great Again. :headbang:
     
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    So you say people who fight brexit are traitors? What a lovely country you are where half your population are traitors.
     
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    Noooo Great in Britain is a geographical description. No we just want to be ourselves at home, not living under foreign rules and regs. We were 'a society with a decent civil life' and want to try to get that back - that is all.
     
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    Listen to Ian Duncan Smith --- I say that people working against our Gov and the people and the Crown in collaboration with a foreign power are traitors - yes, by definition they are.
     
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    BREXIT clowns work in collaboration with Trump and against their own countries interest. According to my buddy, they are traitors.

    So what now?
     
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    I missed the first highlighted area --- you do not understand how the EU works -
     
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    Oh go back to bed! You have some sort of Trump infection! Call the Doc - I can't help you.
     
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    Theresa May mentioned the Irish border problem before the referendum.
    Here is incontrovertible proof:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-36587809
    Incidentally in my posts i have twisted nothing whatsoever.
    It is totally down to those who voted leave that leave has not happened because those leave voters do not know how to leave in terms of the land border.
    It isn't even complicated.
     
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    Brexit is literally turning into a never ending soap opera.
    I wonder how long EU nations are willing to put up with this?
    It looks like Boris would get majority in parliament if people were allowed to vote. If EU extends and Boris goes into elections and wins then this extension will result in possible hard Brexit.
    Similarly, if referendum were brought in then what’s the guarantee remain wins? If polls suggest Boris wins general elections then one can make a safe assumption that a new referendum won’t really make any difference.
    So what’s the point of extension?
    Something must give in.
     
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    I fully understand how the EU works. It is a democratic organisation that the UK has been a full member and participant in for the past 50 years or so.
    Your one line reply is a handy way of avoiding giving any examples of how this 'faraway empire' has imposed anything on the UK against it's will.
    If you don't like the EU fair enough, but it's best not to invent stuff to back up your dislike that is not true.
    It's is OK to be honest, you don't like the EU because you don't like the EU, hence your vote. But so far any attempt you have made to give reasons that stand up to the flimsiest of scrutiny has failed.
     
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    You already must show documents when arriving to EU nation.
    In the US when I fly between states I walk out of the airport on arrival. In EU, even if you are an EU citizen, you still must show documents on arrival.
    Not a whole lot would change.

    Why can’t the trains operate after Brexit? Do you suggest international train travel is impossible?
     
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    Leave voters are not in Parliament ---- go back to school.
     
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    Our patience seems to be unlimited!

    I love this chap - sometimes he posts twice daily'

     
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    There is not one ounce of democracy in the workings of the EU.

    One liners is all that your ill informed posts deserve and you have been lucky to even gain one line from me so don't push it!
     
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    Boris Johnson is in Parliament.
    You need to try harder.
    Leave voters can't say how leave manifests itself on the border. That is the problem, and it is down to them.
     
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    Fair enough. I had assumed you were able to sustain a reasoned argument but I was wrong.
     
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    Roundshaw's in Sutton and I've heard of it when people from Sutton used to boast it growing up in the mean streets of Fairfield in Croydon, I would come back to Croydon from Brixton to people out in Croydon who came out to Croydon from Sutton and boasting some place I never heard of until that point called Roundshaw and then because it mattered to them, they'd shut up when I said Myatts Field and Angel Town and I found it funny.

    To me, Roundshaw's the sticks and Thornton Heath is home.
    Thornton Heath even had its Hollywood moment in music when out of no where people left right and centre were getting record deals here and seeing music videos filmed here and other promotional stuff. I was coming home from the train station near my house when I saw Ice Cube's son promoting Straight Outta Compton in Thornton Heath.
     
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    For us it looks more like Boris is a crook and player. He wants BREXIT to stop and all this is a big charade to play the people.
     
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    Thats rubbish. I dont have to show my passport. I drive France, Austria or Spain and nobody cares. I just drive through border.

    The ICE wont be able to operate between Germany and UK anymore after BREXIT for the simple reason that you have to step out, make passport checks and go back in to reach UK. Right now you simply board in Frankfurt and drive through to London.
     
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    I don’t know about driving through the border, but I am talking about flying. On arrival you do show documents, even if you flew within the EU.
    Customs with train can be organized in a couple of ways - when I was crossing the border on train the border agents boarded the train and checked everyone’s documents. Nobody had to get off.
    Another option is to do customs on arrivals, just like it’s done with flights. I’m not sure if that particular train has stops between English Channel and London, but if it does, these stops might be eliminated and the train might end up traveling faster because it goes straight to London after it crosses the border.
     
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    Not true. When entering the UK you have to show your passport. We are not part of Schengen. Even British people have to do this.
    Going into the EU I do not have to show my passport but going home I do. This is why there are camps of illegal immigrants near Calais but not in Dover.
     
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    My money's on a no-Brexit at the end of the month.

    BJ falls just a little short.
     
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    When there was a Libdem-Con coalition Gov, neither trusted the other not to call a GE when their party was more popular Sooo Oliver 'poll tax' Letwin dreamed up the Fixed Term Act 2011 - which holds a Gov in Gov for 5 years unless certain criteria are met - the most important now one being that the whole of Parliament must agree, by a majority vote, on holding a GE. May had a majority Tory Gov (left over from Cameron because he had promised ua our referendum) but when she called and got a GE lost, due to her own unpopularity, the Tory majority. Soooo Boris took over a minority Gov - Parliament consistently refuses him a GE - Corbyn refuses to call for a vote of No Confidence = Stale Mate - Boris with a Brexit Gov can do nothing with a Remoan Parliament which is thwarting him, by legal and very illegal means, in his quest to get us out of the EU.

    Do you see?
     
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    Take a good look at the Gov websites - they are gearing up for a no-deal.
     

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