Brexit: how do voters feel about the EU now?

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  1. Nonnie

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    Can you remember the millennium bug, all the electronics on the planet were gonna stop and it was the end of the world. Just because it was going to turn the year 2000, quite a number of people stocked up on food.

    With Brexit, these halfwits are back out in force stocking up on food. It's hard to fix stoopid.
     
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    In America, their FDA meat with hormones means they're bigger and stronger than us in Europe; we're also smaller than Australians, who also have hormone injected/hormone fed beef, what are we, idiots?
    EU says it's bad so we believe it? - If it's good enough for America or Australia, then what are we? Too good for it, with our made under license customs b/s, **** the EU customs.

    America know, about the Kinder Surprise, right, if you take a Kinder Surprise to America and they catch you, it's $10,000.00 fine right; if EU was so great, and America was so bad, why does EU let European kids potentially choke on Kinder Surprise toys? America recognise a health risk that the EU green light probably because it produces it.
     
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    I'd rather be in a trade deal as Britain than a trade deal negotiated for Britain in another country that tries to act like a country, did NAFTA have a trade deal with the EU? No, Canada has a trade deal with the EU. Does Britain have a trade deal with Canada? No need because Canada has a trade deal with the EU, I'd rather UK has a deal with the EU, but not the current deal on the table, no deal is better than a bad deal, because with no deal, we won't be locked to the EU so can have deals outside of the EU. When the Canadian route from UK to Asia opens up, I want UK to be in a deal with USA and Canada, and not have a deal become UK, USA and Canada with flags and anthems.
     
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    How the EU feels to a Brit wanting to leave?

    It feels like a nanny state third reich ambition project to force a one world government on to us and Brits who think the EU is in the UK's future seem closed minded and ignorant and unwilling to question authority assuming EU's regulations are somehow superior to the free world's.
    It's like USSR except the EU isn't giving me a job and a flat (apartment), so it's actually (if you can believe such a thing exists) worse than the USSR.
     
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  5. Montegriffo

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    You do know that the 2nd world war is over don't you?
     
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    Great argument! Call of Brexit now then?

    Did you know, that the EU still acts like it wants to be a super state, and that EU customs stink?

    No hormone beef making Europeans smaller than Americans and Australians.
    Kinder Suprises to choke our kids.
    Made under license products (almost as good as the real deal, but it's not).

    @Montegriffo open your mind and your eyes and wake up to the EU customs you love so much, and who gives a **** about logistics of close proximity to this mess.

    It's funny you mention WWII, you know full well this history of this continent and chose to side with cultural aliens rather than Americans or Australians.
    Go fly your EU flag and eat your EU custom food, but don't ruin it for the rest of us by blocking a no deal exit since any deal on the table will lock us into the EU in all but voice at the table.

    How stupid are you to think EU's in our future because it's close.
    They're undemocratic and over cellists and I do not trust their customs or their agenda.
     
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    This purile form of debate does nothing to advance your argument,
    It is also insulting to the German nation who have not been Nazis for 74 years.
    I call Godwin's Law.
     
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    Undemocratic?
    Go on, explain how you come to this conclusion.
     
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    The way how the top job in the EU job was decided in 2019.
    https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/30...s-attempt-to-break-deadlock-in-special-summit

    Now prove yourself to know what you're talking about and not just an accepting the first thing the bloc tells people brainwashed simpleton who doesn't bother to question the EU.

    I've already proved that American and Australian customs are better, not to mention culturally closer to the UK. Loser countries like Ireland need the Euro and the EU because they feel it's needed to be equal with Britain, but Britain isn't a loser country and doesn't need to be in the EU.

    Only a bloc made up of countries with shitty 20th century recent histories could get away with asking me to accept cookies every time I want to use the internet.
     
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    The Schengen is insulting to Europe. Germany depend on the Schengen so that's insulting.Turning people into another commodity with freedom of movement like goods in a system to build in the Eastern Bloc of the EU exploiting the Eastern Bloc's poor economies building parts to be assembled in Germany is only legal in the Schengen and the EU. Freedom of movement is insulting because it makes no sense economically.
    Bailing out Greece breaking the rule book when one rule they forced they broke themselves and instead of kicking Greece out of the EU in a Grexit, Germany indebted Greece, is insulting to Greece.
     
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    Do you even read your own links?
    Notice the words ''elected'' and ''will go to parliament for approval''

    I give up. Live in ignorance, I'm past caring.
     
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    If you're past caring, then live in the EU, I however see people from Communist times controling a backward **** hole being **** holes and big brother like with the EU's customs made in EU.
    Because the EU is bigger than Britain, doesn't mean it's greater than Britain.
    Call me picky, but, the EU is a trading deal turned bloc.
     
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    Why does everything in Europe we eat have to be made in Europe?
    That's ****ing scary to me.
     
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    I'm past caring about your ignorance.
    I care deaply that people are prepared to destroy the UK economy for some ill-informed nationalist utopia of rainbows and unicorns based on well documented lies and misinformation.
     
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    It doesn't.
    Tell me how European banana production is destroying the Caribbean banana industry.
    You are out of your depth.
     
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    It's a free market economy...
    It's better than a slave trade economy Africa once thrived in until we wised up and outlawed slavery.
    But it's not a fair trade protectionist economy.
    A fair trade economy will also hike up any slave wage sweat shop made in (insert **** hole rights here), with all due respect @Montegriffo **** a free market, and **** an EU.
    If there's any free trade to be had, give me an ally any day. Sell me Made in USA if I'm to have free trade; if they're making, I'm already buying since I like high end versions of brands and models I like anyway and CITES is harming the guitar industry with the Indian Rosewood. If we get in a customs union with USA, CITES will no longer be an issue for UK or USA trade; only if (in such a deal) that guitar went from USA or UK to the EU, would CITES be an issue. Which is fine because it's business as usual for the rest of EU, for example Spain (a lot of great guitars I see for sale in Spain standing out like UK), but... It will be a boost and give the US guitar manufactures a boost in the UK.
    UK might be able to remain competitive becoming a tax haven if it sues the EU for market access.
     
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    EU onions are destroying African economies locked into free trade deals with the EU.
    BUT THEN, I must add, Chinese garlic is also hitting the same African economies hard in their free trade deals with China, making EU no better than People's Republic of China in that trade deal.
     
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    If you buy Indian Rosewood in an made in USA product, CITES laws now makes it hard.
    I argue, a customs union with the USA will not only help the industry, but will allow UK to import the genuine product, and it will open up the UK to American production as another market to sell to.
    To afford such a future means keeping access to the Euro, and it would be such a protectionist free trade bloc move to deny City of London the Euro.
    Frankfurt could carry the £ too, and compete with London, but, London should sue for access to the Euro if EU says it's not possible.
    If UK became a tax haven... This could give us enough money to trade with America.
     
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    When you talk about the British economy @Montegriffo, you talk about Scottish fishing and London trading, two places being plucked out of the EU against its will.
    However, these things can still thrive outside of the EU. So Westminster gets to subsidise a farm in UK somewhere in loo of Brussels, so what?
     
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    You're forgetting WTO @Montegriffo and United Kingdom is included in services schedules for the European Communities a.k.a what for legal reasons up until 2009 the EU was called in the WTO. https://assets.publishing.service.g...CW380_-_UK_GATS_Schedule-FINAL_03_12_2018.pdf
    Part 1
    1 The UK triggered Article 50 of the Treaty on the European Union on 29 March 2017. As a result, the UK now seeks to separate its GATS commitments from those of the EU and its Member States. This is the UK's purpose in initiating this certification procedure.
    2 As laid out in the joint letter of 11 October 2017 from the Permanent Representative of the United Kingdom and the Permanent Representative of the European Union to the Permanent Representatives of the WTO, this UK Schedule replicates the concessions and commitments applicable to the United Kingdom included in the following schedule of specific commitments, and supplements (collectively, the 'EU Schedule'):...

    So don't worry about a no deal exit, but please, stop accepting the EU as a British future, it's not, and it's a terrible future if the UK accepts a deal with the EU before negotiating any other deals first. It's a scaremonger full of **** deal aiming to punish Britain to stop others from leaving. Don't forget that @Montegriffo How is Brexit 'business as usual' with the EU but minus a vote in the EU ? How is that what anyone voted for when Brexit won? No deal Brexit is a WTO Brexit which what people voted for. We get business as usual until we can get a better/new trade deal.
     
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    Seems my initial suggestion of the Greens being involved in a coalition is not limited to me

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/10/predictions-uk-political-future-brexit

    Again I never suggested the LibDems.
     
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    For what it is worth, Brown's opinion

    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-brexit-would-be-calamity-for-united-kingdom
     
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    This is why he needs to go.
     
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    Exactly. So there is no reason for the UK to take orders from a bunch of diseased Krauts and the Quislings of the Remoaner movement.
     

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