Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by LafayetteBis, Jul 31, 2019.
it already is
the BBC and Laura Corbinsseberg...face it this Brexit thing ain't happenin...just a wee bit too democratic for everyone, I mean it was never supposed to happen in the first place! Just a wizzard wheeze that went tits up in Cameron's mush...fun while it lasted though
No border in Ireland means no Brexit. Why should the EU strike a deal of any kind with a country that can't keep its word which is what happens if and when the UK breaks the GFA?
Trade and the urge to spaff off over money might be what drives brexiters, but for some the whole thing is not about money at all.
Who knew the GFA would be such a headache?
**I'm not suggesting he knew about it and knew Brexit won't happen without breaking the GFA, which in itself is cause for concern since he didn't know about it.
Why should UK have a deal it couldn't ratify?
Why should President Trump have a deal with the EU after Germany never kept the good word of the Lisbon Treaty's article 125 and broke the agreement to save the Euro and control Greek economics in Germany's favour.
Germany has spoken for all of the EU when the EU let this happen with that logic.
The Good Friday Agreement, The Lisbon Treaty, these things can be broken it seems.
So we have a border. Big deal. Germany still owned Greek debt and forced Greece to pay rather than revoke membership for misleading the EMF and ECB and kick Greece out of the EU for a Grexit.
WTO speaks louder than the European Communities or anyone else.
Did anyone in the European Communities even bother to notify WTO about the Greeks trading with the Germans on a 1 way street, buying German with Germany money? The EU can be trusted to be untrustworthy and equal but unfair. Tell me, is Donald Trump rushing for a deal with the EU, or a deal with the UK if the UK gets out of the EU alive.
OK. Can you describe the controlled border in any way. A starting point would be 320 miles in length, with over 200 crossing points. What are you suggesting happens in practice?
What load of hogwash
The Rhetoric of Life wants to ''take back control'' and then hand it over to the US.
Bolton loves himself some British serfdom.
You think you're too good for American and want the UK to be locked to the EU with a deal. An EU deal Brexit is the worst Brexit of them all.
You're like a Ukrainian bitching about the fall of the USSR; you want to be in a bloc because that's all you know.
No, it's history actually, recent history.
No, I don't want a crappy deal which is far worse than what we have already.
I want to scrap article 50.
Well, you can't. Why do you think EU membership is good for a country like UK?
The economy of the Eurozone and Freedom of Movement from poor arse countries to the UK is reasons not to be, then we have the mutation of the EEC turning into a federlised Europe without asking anybody.
No one wants a crappy deal btw, so why call off Brexit because the UK doesn't like the deal on the table? People who voted to leave the EU were wrong? That's not democracy.
What happens if the vote goes back to the people and Remain wins?
That's asking people to vote until the result is the right result.
If Leave wins again, will people want a better deal from the EU?
No deal Brexit means UK can make new deals. Put the EU somewhere else in the queue. It also means business as usual with the European Communities because EU/European Union isn't even a term the WTO use for the EU.
The WTO is proof the EU forgets itself. It isn't a country, it has no power to punish a no deal Brexit, the only thing the EU can do is offer a worse deal or push for more time, and this agreement has article 50 which is the exit for anyone who wants out.
We must respect the right to leave a partnership, and use a no deal Brexit as a precedent if anyone else wishes to leave the club if anyone ever has to in the future.
Going to bend the rules of the Lisbon Treaty again are they? Save EU from Brexit by revoking and stalling Article 50 like when Merkel bailed out Greece contrary to Article 125 of the Lisbon Treaty and the advice of the ECB to save the single currency against the advice of the ECB to bail out Greece.
Who wants to do deals with a hostile EU? Not Trump, not the UK if this deal is the only deal.
You need Article 50 for the good of Europe against the EU.
The European Communities cannot punish anyone for leaving it.
A partnership in business in the UK for example needs an exit plan in place; Article 50 isn't an exit plan per say, but it is an exit for anyone wants out.
Only an idiot wants to scrap Article 50 so no one can leave the partnership.
EU isn't a country like USA.
A US state can not legally leave the union, the EU isn't a country, it has countries and Article 50 allows a country to leave if it wanted to, much like a partnership works in UK business law.
Saw a UK high end car (Bently) driving through Croydon the other day, followed that in, the thing I loved most about it was; I had rarely (if ever) seen a Monaco license plate before, but it was UK built RHD driving south from London through Croydon. Followed it all the way to Croydon before it went one way and I went another.
Why can't UK be more like Monaco? A tax paradise haven to keep London competitive on the world stage against Frankfurt. Jeremy Corbyn is too Communist to lead the UK.
Nobody was asked ?
Your government had a veto right, but voted for the transformation.
Doesn't make it right.
The EU will be unstable with Brexit unless Brexit doesn't happen or EU gives UK a bad deal.
A no deal Brexit might require another special purpose vehicle potentially making it that no one else can leave if they want to, for stability of the EU, again.
Just showed you, that you post BS.
Fwiw, i think t is relatively easy to think of reasons not to like the EU.
Therefore there is a certain attraction to voting brexit
But the benefits, and pitfalls of Brexit inevitably remain hypothetical until the decision is actually implemented.
Imo, if Brexit was really such a good idea, Britain would be gone from the EU already.
The fact that Brexit has not happened seems to indicate that Brexit is more complicated than was presented to the voters. , i surmise that Brexit will become even less popular as the UK government is actually forced to make difficult choices... the downsides of brexit will become real.
Otoh, i think many brexiteers want brexit no matter the cost.... and most likely they will stand by brexit and blame the government for poor implementation. But imo, Brexit will be the clown show that keeps on giving
You showed me how something was rushed to save the EU breaking Article 125.
Revoking Article 50 for everybody might be rushed to save the EU too if you justify 'the need to save the EU' as an end to the means.
Wrong, the EU and its members reacted to the financial crisis.
You blamed everything on Germany and how it broke Article 125 and bought Greece so to speak.
Wrong, flat out wrong, as everything you write about the EU and Germany.
The council of the EU, which included your country, voted on creating this emergency fund.
Some of had to be voted on by each countries parliament.
Your parliament voted YES. Your Government voted in the council, YES
Nobody in the EU, not one country, believes it will not be a hard Brexit on Oct 31.
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