Brexit is making Britain more efficient in Europe?

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    The EU is in Europe too.
    I'm talking geographically of course. Do you know any other Europe?
    Brexit has made Britain more efficient in getting things done, and a byproduct of this is to lead in the region now.
    In the past 31 days:
    UK ratified the Brexit deal already.
    The EU is asking for an extension to ratify the Brexit deal so national governments can read what they've signed up to.
    UK banned imports linked to slave labour in China already (along side the US and Canada, making the UK lead in Europe now).
    The EU signed up to CAI with the CCP under German leadership and MEPs vow to block CAI because of human rights and democratic concerns in Hong Kong.
    UK is rocketing ahead of the EU in its vaccine roll out.
    The EU is behind the UK in its vaccine roll out, woefully behind.

    The only thing the EU is leading in Europe is trading with the EU (itself).
     
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    UK's home to London, perhaps the biggest city in Europe?
    Comparing UK to Ireland is like comparing UK to Yugoslavia...
    Ergo, 1 is a vibrant hot spot global hub, a breeding ground for mutations of Covid, and the other is Ireland (or Yugoslavia); what's a polite way to say butt-**** nowhere)? lol, but for real though, can't be compared.
     
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    Sorry but I don't do selective examples as definitive proof of whatever you propose is the case and I don't do flag waving based on them. The EU is arguably the first or second largest economic bloc in terms of GDP on earth, sometimes larger and sometimes smaller than the US.
    Perhaps you could anchor your comparisons to what and compared to whom...the EU is 27 separate countries with limited competences so who are you talking about ?
    If you take "European" to mean geographically why are you then using economic and social comparisons? and when you say London is "the biggest city in Europe" do you mean geographically, economically or in global influence?
    What do you define as "the region"?
    and why does it matter whether some defined area is bigger, better or bolder than any other ? Is this some Race for Life? Because next year your criteria or someone else's may well change.
    Calm yourself. Relax. No one is watching and very few care. We could do with fewer aggressive comparisons and a bit more peace.
     
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    Well I don't just blindly make stuff up and you have to accept everything stated as a measure that UK is leading in Europe and the EU has fallen behind.
    Well I'm not in the EU, so I'm allowed to wave my national flag without the EU telling me to put it away.
    The EU is also in the process of ratifying an investment agreement with CCP called CAI.
    The UK for some reason wants to join the CPTPP
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55871373#:~:text=The UK will apply to,UK exports, the government says.
    I'm in different to this as I fear it turning into another EU, but this deal would be worth £9Trillion a year for the UK.
    What measure is the EU leading in Europe?
    It's a big government and we all know big governments do not work so fast in times of crises and it will find itself in solidarity with the CCP. You claim UK stands alone, you say this lie when UK stands with Canada and USA in banning imports from China linked to slavery this month.
    You say this while UK is signing up to the CPTPP to become the CPTPP country in Europe.
    Because socially and economically, UK is vibrant and European.
    I said this because London feels like New York City and we also have The City, not to mention is a global hub for travel (usually when there is no Covid) and finance.
    London is a world city, not the only world city in Europe, but the biggest.
    Europe.
    It's just a fact, London is a world city, and the vibrancy of London and the South East meant more Covid-19 cases than a typical European area, which when compared, aren't as vibrant.
    I'm a native to London, I've travelled through Europe and the US; only 1 place on Earth reminded me of home, and that was New York City, and I wasn't expecting that since it's so far away from home, but when I went to New York City, it felt like I was back at home again.
    There is nothing I would love more, than to see more places like London in Europe and the world, but alas, I'm not so blessed, so whenever I come home to London, it's always a great home coming for me, getting to be back in a big city again.
    You won't admit it but Brexit has made Britain more efficient now and the UK is able to act faster thanks to being out of the EU. It's only been a month, but we're able to act faster which is only a byproduct of the efficiency afforded to the UK being governed by the British and not the EU.
    What happened to asking for a bit more peace?
    One minute you're calling for the break up of the UK, I haven't called for the break up of the EU, and now you want more peace?
    When you stop pretending Scottish Independence is dominating the headlines in the UK (because it's not and the leader of the SNP is under fire for a number for reasons this week from publishing UK's vaccine plan to the EU without UK's permission to that party's handling of covering up reports of abuse in that party), why then do you pretend your reference to the break up of the UK is anything but fringe news outside of the main happenings in a United Kingdom now more united since the EU almost triggered Article 16 of the Brexit deal last night.
    If you want to be peaceful, then no more posts dwelling on outsider groups calling for independence, because we have to live together in Europe, so why would we want to be friendly with those calling for the break up of the UK?
    Perhaps EU countries should leave the EU if they want to.
     
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    I don't have the time to unravel the jingoism in your post.
    However I should tell you that I read both UK and French news and have a pretty good grasp of what is going on in both, not to mention getting direct links from the EU parliament.
    I leave it to say that yours is a series of opinions based on nationalism.
    It is fundamentally about one incident and defines very little of any country. I am not going to get into subjective comparisons every time something happens in one place or the other. Covid does not define the UK or indeed anywhere else.
     
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    The EU is a like a club populated by snowmen who tell each other that the outside is the Sahara.
    That's not me judging the EU, that's me remembering the EU.
    The UK leaving the EU was less about leaving the EU and more about joining the wider world.
    You say that the UK is now alone because of Brexit, this is nonsense.
    I know this is nonsense because the UK is in solidarity with Canada and USA when it comes to banning imports from China linked to slavery on the 12th of January 2021.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/canada-china-idUSL4N2JN3BI
    On the 1st of February 2021, the UK formally began the process to join the CPTPP.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/formal-request-to-commence-uk-accession-negotiations-to-cptpp
    In contrast, the EU is xenophobic and inward looking by comparison, calling for the break up of the UK, distrusting the US, pretending that outside the EU is like the Sahara and we're snowmen, foolish to leave.
    It's since implemented red tape to monitor the export of all Covid-19 vaccines produced in the EU and went as far as to trigger Article 16 of the Brexit deal before rescinding that policy, a move both jingoistic and sabre rattling.
    There are many problems with the EU, but thankfully, they're not ours; the UK now has the problem of not being able to veto China's accession into the CPTPP if the UK enters the CPTPP first, which I hope changes because I really don't want to be in another deal with the CCP since the Sino-British Joint Declaration fell through.
    I believe the EU has CAI to ratify with the CCP, so let me be clear; the UK should veto China from entering the CPTPP, as well as any EU accession into the CPTPP if CAI goes ahead, because we simply cannot run the risk of products linked to slavery coming in from China through the backdoor of the EU if the EU enters CPTPP, this is simply unacceptable.
    If however CAI gets blocked and the EU aren't in a deal with the CCP, then I welcome the EU into the CPTPP which could solve a lot of trade issues between the UK and the EU.
    This is CPTPP business, this is not for the EU to worry about, especially if the EU enters into CAI with the CCP, then the EU can trade with the CCP and itself for all I care.
    Since Brexit, the UK doesn't actually care what the EU think.
    We can join the CPTPP first and hope to block China's accession into the CPTPP, and that's CPTPP business, not yours.
     
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    Oh dear.

    CU around.
     
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    I guess you only want to talk with those who agree with your political points of view (that UK was wrong to leave the EU); Well I'm sorry, but I'm not going to buy into your EU Parliament French UK news when I link British Government sources of CPTPP to counter your claim that UK is now alone.
    I find your approach to anything you disagree with reminiscent of the French surrender in WWII, just throw in the towel when things get tricky to be part of a German lead Europe.
    Good luck with your EU.
     
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    China is never going to allow the Uyghurs to be free. This ban has the potential to hurt them further As China would have no reason to keep them around.
     
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    Then we need to write a new book and throw that at CCP and anyone else who commits genocide as internal policies.
     
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    OK.
    I don't feed trolls.
     
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    :roflol:...too much for you is he....you didn't exactly defend your position very convincingly....hint...perhaps you should consider your opinion before weighing in next time.
     
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    I might be too opinionated for this place, and she is a newbie, so I don't want to be seen as a bully, so I get why I might be too much for someone so passionate about a counter view to my own.
     
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    I have just removed myself from 4 years of a bunch of people who played Troll and Taunt, particularly about Brexit.
    I am not going to play that game anymore. I refuse to let such idiotic games be part of my life anymore.

    Talk amongst yourselves. I am out.
     
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    I think its called a baptism of fire....:D
     
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    Publically I don't see Rhetoric as anything.
    What I think privately is for me to know.
     
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    I'm gonna have to google that lol
     
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    indeed...then may a suggest that perhaps internet chat sites are not for you....?
     
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    After starting using them in 1986 I never realised they were private confessionals.
    Thanks for the information.
     
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    Do I know you offline?
    I have my suspects that you're an ex of mine, but, that's only if you're British-American diplomat last seen living in West London but also known to live in France and work in Iraq, I don't want to say your name because it's too unique, but is this S?

    Sorry, you already have alarm bells ringing in my head about UK/US in France from your initial post in new members, now you say privately? Hmmm...
     
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    Okay, good, you're not this person I thought you could be.

    Welcome to debate mon ami!
     
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    I think you're okay....she's from the future....I guess she invented a time machine and came back to share the delights of the 21st Century...!!??
    Anyway you've scared her and she's on her way back to the future now with Marty and Doc....back to the year...2986.....ta dah.....

    Edit...
    crap and bolloks....back to the future was 1985 not 1986....ah well that buggered that wee comment.....:(
     
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    Odd question..how can I say I know you if I don't know who you are?

    I have never lived in West London...in fact I hate cities.
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about but as a dinosaur I suspect most of the present is the future as far as you are concerned.
     
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    Yeah, moving on before anyone gets scared even more (Hell, I thought it might have been someone I know coming online)...
    And... yeah...
    Moving on.
    Brexit has made the UK more efficient in Europe because it's leading countries in Europe in the EU, this is a measure when the UK does something I deem productive, such as vaccine roll out, bans on slave made products from China in solidarity with like minded countries across the world.
     
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