Brexit LIVE: ‘UK NOT READY for EU trade talks!’

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  1. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!!!
     
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    And Macron started to solve this with ... and this is funny ... same issues what we have done once 20 years ago!
     
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    Maybe ... hard to rate ... ;-)
     
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    But you know those reforms are still disliked and the SPD wants to turn the wheel backwards.
    Some times people just read words, without getting the meaning.
    Happens far to often.

    As I said before, Macron is a race horse and Merkel is like a draft horse.

    France took the initiative for a new treaty and Germany followed, slowly, as usual.
    The important thing about the treaty, France and Germany are closing ranks further. Sure they have to put beef on the ribs of that treaty, but the first treaty, became the blue print for the EEC and later the EU.
    The biggest countries in Central Europe are pushing to move closer.
    Who started the EU, France by pushing for the Coal and Steel packed between West Germany and France.
    Others joined when they saw the benefits, the offspring was the EEC. The UK wanted to join, but De Gaul understood the Brits and vetoed, he was so right.

    Nope, that treaty is not talk and no substance, it is a major step forward and they are already starting to put beef on those ribs.

    Did you ever think or ask, why Aachen, a small town at the border and not Paris or Berlin.
     
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    it must be sooooo frustrating for possessors of so magnificent intellects...such as yourself!!!
    ....I sympathise with your plight....but do keep pitching up on internet chat forums to make it known...as long it is doesn't interfere with your musings

    ...so what.... you are wrong....go figure....you keep yipping away at this Aachen crap shoot as if its the 10 commandments....try and understand...its only politics...its meaningless rhetoric...its a whole pile of noisome festering excrement....it stinks worse than a Mumbai garbage heap! Its Macron masturbating!!

    Oh but it is....
     
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    No not really.
    2 different systems, France is centralized, Germany a federation. 2 different election system.
    Germany took a big swing at the social systems under Schroeder and established a balanced budget law and overhauled its bureaucracy.

    It was and still is for many people unpopular, cost Schroeder his job. Was it the right step, by all means.
    France has to do the same thing, in a different political system. If Macron sticks it out, France wins, but he will loose.

    Is Germany propping up France not really, but they are very close connected and benefit from each other. The benefit changes, some times it is France, sometimes it is Germany.
    Germany is deeply afraid of any nationalistic tendency.
    Oh boy they flew the flag during football games, bad, very bad. The French go all out, fly the flag, have the military parade, no fear of their pride in their Nation.

    So different and best friends, after a crap load of history.

    I still got spit in my face, as a exchange student in France, because I am German.
     
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    oh boy the significance is lost on me...I wonder what it could possibly be.....hmmmmm.....no ....you'll have to tell me as I can't quite fire up that synapse
     
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    France is too far down the rabbit hole...it needs to break its unions and decades of waste and mis-mangagement....government needs to learn that business is Darwinian and stop propping up failing industries out of some sense of nationalistic obligation.
     
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    Tja, some have the brain and education and some not.
    It is no plight at all, it is joy.
    As a farmer I have learned that excrements, treated right, are a unusual good fertilizer.
    Never been to Mumbai, have you ?
    But I shoveled today pig and horse ****. The smell was rather strong, not eye watering, but promising for some superb fertilizer. Things will grow on that stuff.

    I have no idea how Macron gets his sexual satisfaction and I do not care.

    But I can feel, or suspect, the usual British reaction, when it comes to France and Germany and for some odd reason it clouds the minds of the Anglos.
    Do you have a water problem ?
     
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    It does not surprise me, at all.
     
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    Are you actual talking about that Island you are sitting on ?
     
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    No, they are not disliked ... and no, the SPD does not really want to turn back anything.

    The problem with Macron is that he first opens his mouth and then starts to think ... and that's why he's doing step 4 right before he takes care of steps 1-3.
    It is also annoying that he wants to directly create a new EU body / working group for each problem he locates.

    That's why Merkel has to capture Macron with the lasso again and again ...
     
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    That's why I compare the two, Racehorse and draft horse.
    I have done horses as a pro for most of my life, from race horses to dressage, jumper and Eventers and learned as a youth how to plow with a draft, wonderful animals.

    Sometimes you just have to throw out ideas and than consider the feedback, or wait for it. I like that, it forces people to think, get their brains in gear, engage them.
    Macron is new on the world stage, he is full of ideas, wants to make an impression and is in a rush.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    Has he the ability to learn, I would say yes.
    He first was very impressed with his job of El Presidente, but the yellow west showed him, being impressed does not mean duddly.
    He changed his avenue of approach, sit down and talk.

    I like to have a race horse, a thorough bread, magnificent, but you have to temper them and that takes patience, especially don't want to take the magnificent away.
    He will do and learn, he got Mutti. :mrgreen:
     
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    The EU should just be like
    'I haven't got a horse in this race'
    and just let the UK go without a deal so the UK can enter into new deals across the globe.

    It's better to be independent of the EU than a vassal for a failing EU.
     
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    I agree the UK should, by now I think a no deal would be the best.
    It needs its nose bloodied and broken, to find out, it is not any more the Empire, but just an other small European country, which can not survive on its own.
    Like the rest of the lot of European countries.
    A hard Brexit will make the EU stronger, while sadly watching how the UK disassembles itself, because of it.

    But do never forget, you have your country back.
     
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    The UK wouldn't have to survive on its own if the US and UK enter into a trade deal.
    It could be like Independence Day for a country to leave the EU, and if it can get a better deal outside of the EU, then that deal doesn't have to be with the EU.

    Take it from somebody who's peoples had an empire, or even the Roman empire, empires never last.
    The EU don't care about democracy, they're all for a 2nd referendum.
    It's like, if Remain wins, then it'll have to be best two out of three otherwise the EU is asking the UK to vote until it's Remain.

    If Ireland choose to leave the EU if Brexit goes well, then I think it should be up to the Irish voters to decide this. I like the EU for recognising Aricle 50 and I think that the UK is doing this by the book means that, even in a no deal situation, the UK did its best to deliver Brexit if it delivers a no deal crash out Brexit.

    The EU is in under an illusion that the UK has nobody seeking deals but the EU.
     
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    The US can never replace the EU, look at the trade volumes already covered. Despite the tariffs with China, the trade deficit reached a new peak. The UK can not compete with China and the Nafta partners and the EU.
    Can the US replace 40%, never, ever.
    That's what you loose, 40% and your economy has been tuned in on the EU for over 40 years.
    Cut the cord, but without the tid that nourishes you, that's what you want to do.

    Good luck, have fun.

    Do it, please.
     

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