Brexit's happened, so why no border on the island of Ireland?

God has a sense of humour, putting Irishmen, Englishmen and Frenchmen so close together like that, because the joke is; they all hate each other/we all hate each other.

I'm kidding, we've got love for one another, nobody hates the Irish, but people hate the British, talk about racism, never heard a Brit before me saying don't be racist to the UK saying 'UK can't be there/This is Ireland so we must all follow the republic', the truth is, we go where we like, it's the UK, and what we do in the UK is UK's business, and if somebody born in the UK wants to be British, it is our objective we guarantee them that right, no one is more heart broken to see the EU put up an external border, so, to take a leaf out of Ireland's book...
"Talk to Brussles"
about the Brexit border.

 

I say talk to Brussels; their answer was to annex it instead of sign a new defense pact for UK/EU that would allow for border checks thus peacefully taking controll away from Irish dissident terrorists.

 

The last time England and Wales was a republic was in the 1650s when it was called the Commonweal or Commonwealth. I am not sure what Ireland and Scotland were called.

I don't see why the becoming a republic should effect the UK's standard of living.Lots of countries have given up their monarchies and reestablished them without growing significantly richer or poorer.

 

The Commonwealth of Vs. The Republic of, eh...

Also, exactly - it won't effect the standard of living; the only thing we'd have to change is the name of the country. (maybe one or two things, but nothing lifestyle altering, in this day and age).

 

I might be wrong but the country is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so without Northern Ireland I imagine it will be The United Kingdom of Great Britain.
Without a monarchy I suppose it could be called The United Nations of Great Britain.

 

Or just Great Britain, but that's without Northern Ireland which begs the question; Who the Hell said the country won't contain Northern Ireland?
Please tell me this, as I feel you're ignoring everything we've said about Northern Ireland being the UK.

 

I acknowledge that formally Northern Ireland is in the UK.
The referendum vote was for the UK to 'leave' the EU.
Hence a differential either side of a land border in Ireland is what was voted for.
Hence a solution needs to be found regarding managing that border because 'leave' does not mean stay joined as before, or turn a blind eye.
It is the elephant in the room, and so far no viable solution has been suggested by those who voted 'leave'.

 

Leave means leave; this has nothing to do with a unification of Ireland.
Surely Northern Ireland should be independent if not UK, NI shouldn't be ROI because ROI say so.

It's time to scrap the GFA because of Brexit and sign a new defense pact to factor in the EU external border and its protection.
This should keep the peace and keep the UK border-less saving NI from berin regarded any different to England Scotland or Wales, and put the border back on the island of Ireland between UK and EU.

 

I have not posted in favour of reunification, nor has the Republic said so.
Scrapping the GFA was not what was on the ballot paper.
When you say put the border back how does that work in practice and how much will it cost?

 

It's for the EU to pay, how much would it cost the EU for an EU external border; so the real answer is; does it matter how much it's going to cost the single market; it doesn't matter to me how much it'll cost; this was on the ballot paper; UK leave the EU; so the EU better recognise EU and UK and quit trying to annex part of the UK because the GFA isn't fit for purpose.

 

The GFA has been the heart of the peace process.

 

It's not fit for purpose though is it.
It's dependent on UK and ROI being in the EU; so therefore, it's out of date/not fit for purpose.

The UK and EU would have a better time if we had a border to mark EU/UK so we can have border checks.

 

Depends what you mean by fit for purpose. It looks fit for the purpose of keeping the peace.

 

It's not compliant with Brexit; it's preventing NI from leaving the EU like the rest of the country.
Taoiseach Enda Kenny said that in the event of reunification, Northern Ireland should be allowed to rejoin the EU, just as East Germany was permitted to join...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland
Nobody wants Ireland to be united; so it's offensive to even think of a united Ireland allowing NI to join the ROI and the EU; nobody wants that; it's either UK has Northern Ireland or Northern Ireland have self determination; which ever NI chose to do, it shouldn't be decided by the EU or ROI.

https://www.quora.com/Why-doesn-t-the-U-K-give-up-Northern-Ireland-as-part-of-Brexit

 

Ireland and the UK in the EU put Ireland and the UK at the same table and the same side since it was all EU and through Brussels; UK's departure from the EU isn't UK dealing with Ireland in answering Ireland's needs, it's dealing with the EU; and that is sad imo because bilateral deals is one thing the EU is preventing member states from having which is stopping UK and Ireland talking deal.
UK and Ireland, I'm not sure about UK quarantine and Irish quarantine laws for bringing an animal from outside in and whether or not a dog or a cat or whatever when entering anywhere in the UK from anywhere in ROI has to face the same scrutiny if it was entering from France or USA etc where, that animal would be subject to quarantine if it doesn't have the papers to prove it doesn't need it - I think this, even when UK was in the EU, as EU countries, made UK and Ireland different/outside of the Schengen, and the Irish and UK quarantine laws might even be the same allowing for animals to freely move in the British Isles part of the world with UK & Ireland.
We share land border and, for an island nation, this is often forgot about in London, but we do have a land border, but that land I'm thinking, share quarantine laws and standards/requirements (I believe); so I'd love to see bilateral deals between UK and Ireland since maybe that would make more sense, but it saddens me to see Ireland telling UK to deal with Brussels in regards to the Irish Border since they have the EU behind them and the EU are asking for some pretty annoying things, like political declarations and borders down the Irish sea.

 

The UK was front and centre in the shaping of the EU over the past 40 years or so.
It can be no surprise that the EU is being...well... itself, the EU, and it can be no surprise to the UK to discover that the Republic of Ireland is part of the EU.
The Republic of Ireland is unlikely to do a side deal with the UK because as the UK well knows, and has been told frequently, the EU wants to preserve the integrity of it's internal market which includes the Republic of Ireland.
To an extent there is at least a theoretical internal market within the UK, certainly between England Wales and Scotland and there is no suggestion from the EU that the UK internal market should make any side deals or whatnot. The connundrum is real.
Certainly there is a possibility for everybody to pretend the UK has left the EU, and at the land border simply turn a blind eye to everything that happens there. I can't see that being a sustainable position. Any standards or quarantined or for goods will need checking, and transgressions will need follow up.
The Police Service of Northern Ireland, which is a UK institution, has warned that they think checks and infrastructure will lead to violence. Anybody need only Google 'peace lines' within the UK in Belfast to begin to get an understanding of the nature of the problem.

 

The UK was front and centre in the shaping of the EU over the past 40 years or so.
It can be no surprise that the EU is being...well itself, the EU, and it can be no surprise to the UK to discover that the Republic of Ireland is part of the EU.
The Republic of Ireland is unlikely to do a side deal with the UK because as the UK well knows, and has been told frequently, the EU wants to preserve the integrity of it's internal market which includes the Republic of Ireland.
To an extent there is at least a theoretical internal market within the UK, certainly between England Wales and Scotland and there is no suggestion from the EU that the UK internal market should make any side deals or whatnot. The connundrum is real.
certainly ther

 

Oops. My posting has messed up.

 

Hi mate, if I might just jump in here. I think it needs to be mentioned that one doesn't just turn up at a border without a whole ton of paperwork having been completed before your cargo ever leaves the depot. Think about a container ship that arrives in a UK port from a non-EU country and think about the sheer numbers of containers that are loaded and off-loaded - they are not checked by customs; unless there is a criminal reason to suggest so (drugs for example) it is simply not possible. That's why there are international protocols in place to deal with this. Similarly for land cargo (trains/trucks/un-accompanied trailers etc.) there is a shed load of information which has to be transferred between the buyer and seller and freight forwarder and the customs agent the revenue service and a whole host of other agencies before it ever leaves the depot or warehouse for transit. The forms are legion and have to be presented for verification before you ever start your journey and in the majority of cases cargos are "customs cleared" at the point of departure with a customs seal applied by a verified customs agent. I think there is potentially a lot of mis-information about what actually happens at EU borders with the UK and what will happen in future.

 

All of that sounds correct as far as I can tell. However the current 'border' on the island of Ireland is different. People go to and fro much like going from Yorkshire to Lancashire, or England to Scotland. No checks or paperwork is required on those journeys.
To establish such systems in Ireland, with presumably at least the notion of even random 'checks' begs the question what happens if things or goods simply sail on through with no paperwork or whatever? Add to that over 200 crossing points, and what to do about detecting transgressions of any rules.
If it isn't going to be a blind eye system it begs the question as to what the system will be, and if it is accepted by all, and not a threat to the peace process.
I believe there are many more crossing points between the Republic and Northern ireland than exist on the entire eastern land border between the EU and it's easterly neighbours.

 

You're talking smuggling which is different matter. The Irish have been doing that for as long as the old border existed. There's even a folk song about it.

I'm going to be flippant and Irishist and I do apologies before hand but...and I can't stress this too much....I don't give a fukc for the Irish or their peace process or their country, as far as I'm concerned they can wallow in their own shyte and petty hatred and gag on it. I think I already posted something like that somewhere....

 

It has certainly been said before but it is also something that bears repetition

 

I know I'm being boorish and rude and lots of other nasties and I don't like it... but with the Irish...I just see red...

 

I don't believe I am talking smuggling, or maybe you are suggesting 200+ honesty boxes on each crossing point. I am talking unencumbered movement of people and goods to and fro across the land border in Ireland. The notion of smuggling of course suggests some force or sanctions to stop it (unless you turn a blind eye), and that force or sanction or infrastructure would be a target and therefore a threat to the UK (i.e particularly Northern Ireland) of which Scotland is a part.
Urging those on either side of a land border to please be good is not leaving the EU in my view, especially when the phrase is 'take back control'.

Is there not a degree of sectarianism abroad in Scotland?

 

Correct. Duty and excise etc. would presumably be due (depending upon the final deal of course) and thus not declaring such would be smuggling. Honesty boxes are something I’m sure the Irish would embrace.