Wrong! I QUOTED you as stating that you believe that abortion is murder so YOU brought it up! Here are your own words;
FoxHastings said: ↑ So you think murder is OK if you approve? Here's the part of my post you forgot to include when you quoted me: From YOUR post: Puppy said: ↑ No. There is no cognitive dissonance because like I already said, I am not against all forms of murder. Because she is conscious, and a thinking, feeling, breathing human. However, the fetus (most likely) has not developed any central system, nor any of those traits listed above. So, if both their lives are in danger, and if I can only save one, I would choose to save the woman. In all other cases of abortion where the life of the woman is not threatened, I would choose the fetus over the woman, because saving a human life (the fetus') is more important.""""""""
Time out folks. If a fetus has no consciousness, no awareness, no feeling, but is just a collection of cells, like my appendix is a collection of cells, does that make a difference regarding the question of abortion or no abortion? Now, in that situation, if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, AND the mother WANTS an abortion in order that she may survive, are you opposed to the abortion for her even though it means she would die?
I don't think so...it's still part of the woman's body so SHE has the right to abort...nothing to do with whether a fetus has a consciousness or anything else....
Then I would think you would advocate access to abortion at any stage in a pregnancy for any reason. True?
Is the body being destroyed the "woman's body"? NO. Is it the father's body? No, but he may well have to pay child support for 18 years if she has his child. Men are doing life in prison for killing their unborn infants. No woman is doing life in prison for that. Draw a line 9 inches long, left to right. On the left end, write "conception." ON the right end write "birth." Now split the second where the child's life begins and give your precise reasoning for choosing that second. You cannot do this. Life begins at conception and continues unless interrupted. It's not a choice it's a human. "Before you were conceived in the womb I knew you." - God
Yes. However, if a woman asks a doctor to perform an elective abortion after the legal limit the first thing she would get is a psyche evaluation. Mentally healthy women do NOT go through the "joys" of pregnancy just to have the "fun" of a late abortion.
Yes, it is her body. Does the government own it? Do you? Totally irrelevant. Yes, people go to prison if they take away a woman's choice and kill her fetus.....Anyone who takes away a woman's right to her own body should go to prison. A "child's " life begins at birth. I just did. ""continues unless interrupted""" That holds true for every human on earth...so? But life started millions of years ago and unless you contend the parents were dead at the time of conception , conception is just a continuation of life, not the start. No relevancy or logic there. This is not the Religion forum, I deal in facts here.
It's a LIFE, but it's not YOUR life. My brother was a security guard who saw men begging women to let them have their child, and not kill it. Suppose there are four grandparents who desperately want their grandchild, to love and to hold. And a father. You claim the mother's "rights" trump all six people, four grandparents, a father and the baby itself? On what basis, pray tell.
YUPPERS! On the basis that women have the right to their own bodies JUST LIKE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE!. NO one owns them, slavery is illegal. Women are NOT broodstock to be used for OTHER people's needs or wants.... BTW, it is not YOUR life either.....so you really have nothing to do with it....and it isn't Grandpa's and Grandma's life nor is it the father's life...
Appeal to popularity FALLACY! None of those people have to BEAR THE RISKS of pregnancy. FORCING a woman to bear an UNWANTED child is slavery. No one has the right to ENSLAVE someone else.
If men are in prison for “killing their unborn infants” That means they attacked a woman against her will and that is a crime. A woman would be doing prison time if she did that to another woman. Life begins at conception but sadly for people who are anti-choice it ends at birth because they don’t want to care for all those unwanted children you are personifying a zygote it is not a child......
Oh yes I am sure your brother saw tons of men begging women to let them have their child. Do you really expect us to believe something so silly? And who the heck are potential grandparents to force a woman to breed for them? I’ll tell you what remove the 1/10 of 1 ounce fetus and give it to the people who want to hold it. I wonder if you would be such a big shot if your wife’s parents believed you had too many children and wanted you to be forced to have a vasectomy. After all they might be saving children from an unworthy father
Wow, you're right. Butchering a baby six months into development is perfectly fine. Then the *mother* suffers from mental depression and anxiety, higher risk of drug addiction and suicide for the rest of her life. How foolish of me. Please continue to support the disproportionate number of black abortions. That's just fine. And in China, they abort millions of female babies. "Choice" I think you call it.
I agree, that was foolish. Please prove that all women who have abortions suffer "" mental depression and anxiety, higher risk of drug addiction and suicide for the rest of her life."" You can't. Did you know that some women who have children and never had an abortion can suffer ""mental depression and anxiety, higher risk of drug addiction and suicide for the rest of her life"" ?? They can, just like anyone can for a variety of reasons. And NONE of that means women's right to their own bodies should be taken away. I support ALL women having the right to their own bodies. Why do you discriminate against black women? Don't they have the same right to choose as white women?? No, that isn't "choice" in China, it's barbaric reproduction laws like Anti-Choicers in the US want.
I’m sure you’re upset there aren’t more poor black babies to feed. There is a disproportionate of black abortions because of the limited access to places like planned parenthood. People don’t want these women to have access Women don’t abort 6 month fetuses for no reason....and that’s bull about women and their risks for suicide etc. depression comes from being forced to have a child she can’t provide for properly and disrupts her life for 18 years ..let me guess you’re a man
Since absolutely NONE of the absurd drivel above has any connection with reality it is duly ignored for entirely obvious reasons.
Well said..... at this time Canada has ZERO legal protection for the unborn and I would love to get your comment on this thread: Maxime Bernier welcomes Pro-life Canadians to People's Party of Canada. "Mr. Andrew Scheer, would you be willing to allow a Conservative M. P. to table a private members bill to ban intra-cardiac potassium chloride injections on singletons? Technically this would be an anti-feticide bill..... not an anti-abortion law..... and if I got elected here in Nova Scotia I would have to be a sitting member of parliament for at least one year before I could put this before parliament." "Gregory: Your are welcome in our party. I have said I would not personally reopen that debate but I am open to it if MPs want to debate it and would allow a free vote if an MP tables a private member’s bill on the issue.? (Maxime Bernier) https://www.facebook.com/hon.maximebernier/posts/10156707965828703
That is definitely a valid question. In a case where the father or grandparents are willing to adopt the baby....... that option should be taken into consideration by the entire team that make the final decision. If there is an adoptive parent or grandparent available..... you would think that the physician and the nurses would want to know that perhaps they will not have to do the procedure.
