The two of you apparently can't read. I said "an ORGANISM". Heart cells and blood cells are mere cells, not organisms. Whereas the zygote is an organism.
A zygote is....a zygote. An embryo is an embryo and a fetus is a fetus. Bacteria and ostriches are organisms and once a fetus is born it is a baby. Regardless of what you wish to call something the designation decided on by biologists remains and pleading to emotions in an Abortion debate is a very old and tired tactic often used on this board to no effect.
How is the zygote - a single human cell - more of an "Organism" than a heart cell - a single human cell ?
If you really wonder about this, you can ask a biologist about it. I am not the one who came up with it. All I know is that according to the scientific community, a zygote is classified as an organism (albeit a single-celled one) and things like heart cells, blood cells etc are classified as mere cells.
Obviously it is but that is of no importance in this discussion beyond your distraction technique. The entire process involves a developing organism.and I personally have billions of organisms living within my Human body, as do you. I suppose you have a point?
You don't have "billions of organisms" (excluding the bacteria in your gut) in your body. You have billion of cells.
1) You were the one that is making the claim that a zygote is an organism. 2) I am a Biologist (applied microbiology in particular and have a number of papers and journal articles on the subject) - which is why I am asking you these questions. I am not sure which scientific community you are referring to but - a single human cell is not really an organism by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. You have to go to a very simplistic definition (like something you might find in a dictionary) to fit a single human cell into the organism slot. Sure you can read all kinds of nonsense on the net - people "claiming" a zygote is an organism and presenting some kind of simplistic definition. This however is not the "Scientific Community". Regardless - if you use some broad definition - say one broad enough to include viruses - such as "An individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis" every human cell then qualifies. Since this is a slightly complicated topic that is why - in order to simplify - I am asking what you figure the significant difference is between the zygote and other human cells. Even if we do assume the zygote is an organism - a "human organism" this does not magically turn it into a human. In biology there is a way of classifying organisms. It is called Taxonomy - Human taxonomy in this case. Obviously a zygote is not a "Homo sapiens" with respect to this method of classification of "organisms". In order to be part of the club "Homo sapiens" an organism must have characteristics related to membership in a bunch of other clubs. Domain, Phylum, Family, Order, and so on. The zygote has none of these. If we want to use some other method of determination whether an organism is a human - then the methods must be stated. The way to do this is by some method of comparison. So - sticking to what you know for sure - you know for sure that single human cells in general are not classified as "humans". You also know that a zygote is a single human cell. The only significant difference between the zygote and these other human cells is that the DNA in the zygote has the program codes "create a human" turned on. Does a cell having these codes in its DNA make it a human ? Clearly not - almost every human cell has these codes. Does having these codes turned on magically turn this cell into a human ? This is essentially what is being claimed by those who claim the zygote is a human. Same thing for it being an "organism" and the other cells not. Do you follow so far ?
Like I said, I am not the one one who classifies the zygote as an organism, so if you dispute that a zygote is an organism, you need to take it up with an authority on biology (or taxonomy). Also, the zygote is not a person. However, it most certainly is a part of homo sapiens. It contains human DNA.
Did you forget how to use the quote function ? I am fully willing to grant that on the basis of some simple definitions a zygote would be an organism. If you use some broad definition - say one broad enough to include viruses - such as the standard "An organism refers to any individual living thing that can react to stimuli, reproduce, grow, and maintain homeostasis. It can be a virus, bacterium, protist, fungus, plant or an animal." Then - every human cell qualifies as an organism. I just explained to you why the zygote is not a "Homo sapiens" as per the Domain Science that is responsible for determining what a Homo sapiens is ?? The zygote is a single human cell that is "from" a Homo sapiens. Being "Part" of a Homo sapiens does not make something a Homo sapiens. My fingernail clippings are not "Homo Sapiens" As stated previously... a single human cell containing human DNA - does not make it a "Homo sapiens". You may be confusing the descriptive adjective use rather than the noun. A single human cell can be described as a "Homo sapiens cell" -similar to the discriptive adjective use of the word human "Human cell". This however does not mean that entity is a human (Noun)
I don't know why you try so hard to convince me that zygotes aren't organisms. I already told you I did not come up with this classification. If you dispute it, take it up with an authority, not me. The zygote is a live human, albeit a very under-developed one, and it does not have features that people usually associate with being a person, such as having eyes, nose, a heart, a body, the ability to think and feel..etc etc. However, it most certainly is a live human. It is alive and growing and it contains human DNA, therefore, it's a live human. Note that it's not a person yet. This is probably what you are thinking of (correct me if wrong).
I haven't thought about this much. Maybe not ALL the rights. Some of them are probably appropriate, such as the right to life. Although I am aware that i have zero power to actually grant any rights to zygotes.
So what you are saying is that it is a special kind of human that gets some rights but not others. Is that correct?
It's like I said, I haven't thought about this much. I never said I wanted to treat it as some "special kind of human".
Well think about it. If you want them treated as a human being that comes with a whole list of rights
It's not so much that I personally want to treat them as humans. By definition they ARE humans. They contain human DNA.
What part of "I am willing to grant that a zygote is an organism on the basis of simplistic definitions" did you not understand ? What you are ignoring is the fact that definitions which classify the zygote as an organism also classify other human cells as organisms. Such as the one I posted. 1) Personhood is a different issue 2) You claiming repeatedly "Its a living human" does not make that claim true. This is logical fallacy (assumed premise). Repetition of premise is not proof or evidence that a claim is true. You listing a bunch of traits (It is alive, and growing and contains human DNA), traits common to all human cells - does not make it a living human. Proof: these other cells are not classified as living humans and you know this. This is why I asked you what the significant "Difference" was. You keep listing things that are "the same" I then gave you the significant difference - in order to help you along - since you could not come up with one yourself. (The DNA in the Zygote has the program codes for the creation of the human activated) If you can not explain how this significant difference makes the zygote a living human then stop claiming the zygote is a living human as if you know what you are talking about because the reality is that you don't know.
Why do you exclude the bacteria I was talking about, they are organisms. Why do you not make your point? Now not inly distraction but purposeful ignorance...You are rather new to debate I assume?
I exclude bacteria because even then they reside in your body, they are not a part of what makes you a human. If I swallow a parasite, it does not make me part parasite. I am still a human. There is no need to turn to insults just because you disagree with me.
I have a feeling this will be required. " To be precise, zygote is the term used to refer to the cell as a result of the fusion of two haploid nuclei during fertilization until the first cleavage. When the zygote starts to divide and multiply, it is called an embryo. Word origin: from Greek zugōtos ‘joined’, from zugoun ‘to join’. Related forms: zygotic (adjective). Synonym: zygocyte. Compare: embryo. See also: copula, zygogenesis, monozygotic twins, heterozygosity, homozygous. https://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Zygote
If you consider my description of your technique to be insult...I am afraid this may not be the place for you. We do not play with silk gloves here...your feewings are about to get hurted.
