Bring me home, says Bethnal Green girl who fled to join Isis

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  1. The Scotsman

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    Yup...UK Government also seems have thought very carefully about it and...well...they've given her a miiiighty large shyt sandwich to gobble with the added bonus of a vat of cold puke to wash it down with.... FO letter's in the post with a biiiiig adios.........:)
     
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    Yeah it's disappointing when we ignore international law to placate the blowhards.
    I would rather have her in a UK jail getting re-programmed than at large free to bring up her son as a future suicide bomber.
    Pretty much the same thing Trump has said about all the IS fighters he's about to release from detention.
     
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    Funny thing is, right wingers claim to be principled. They say they worship the Prince of Peace but nobody is more pro war and pro genocide than they are. They claim to believe in the Constitution or in constitutional principles but not when it fails to suit their selfish agenda. Principle is good but only when convenient.

    There's just something about these con servatives.
     
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    Previously people have only had their citizenship removed if they had duel nationality.
    This girl has had hers removed on grounds that she ''could'' claim Bangladeshi citizenship.
     
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    This country protests too much; supporting drones that bomb school children and weddings spreading the blood of the innocent, denying us freedoms at home.
    Making young girls stateless making them apologise for terror attacks they personally didn't do while bombing more children in playgrounds and weddings.
    UK could say sorry for collateral damage when it wipes out classes of kids, but it chooses not to.

    This country sucks, too much red tape, lilttle girls not allowed to sell lemonade without getting shut down and made to cry by the local authority.
    Can't own a gun without applying for a license.
    Have you paid your TV license?
    This country sucks, and we have no freedom.
    How about if you want recreational marijuana, this government ignores facts and loves to tax and oppress.

    If other countries can legalise the dope, so can we, but we're British and ****ing pig headed about it.

    **** the UK system of oppression.

    If someone breaks into my house now and tries to kill me, I can't even defend myself without going to jail.

    This is some bullshit country with terrible weather and horrid food and no freedom.

    Everyone knows our country sucks.
     
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    And it's a mistake to give compassion to those who least deserve it. Therein lies the difference, which only wise men can see.
     
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    She was groomed?
    Minors in the UK meanwhile messing around in biker gangs and acid attacks across the capital when they're not stabbing each other.
    Perhaps a failure on Tower Hamlets' part, who should stop their youth from getting radicalised. IDK, maybe it's best the local authority doesn't dictate to us; nonetheless,this girl's from there and probably went to a non comprehensive school out there as well as a mosque out there, so I'm thinking -
    she was groomed out there.
     
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    The ****ing nerve of this woman to say the Home Secretary should have spoken to her before making his decision. And the niqab she always wears is a subliminal 'UP YOURS' to us. But she'll soon be back - I'll say within a fortnight; with all the loony left siren voices around, that prediction is for sure. 'Those whom the gods wish to destroy . . . ' :rolleyes: :wall:
     
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    You can defend yourself if someone breaks into your house. You can use whatever force you need to use to protect yourself including if you have to killing them....what you cannot do is kill them out of spite when they are not a threat to you.

    Given we apparently are the No 1 producer of medicinal Marijuana the fact that a) it is so expensive and b) it is only being prescribed in the rarest of circumstances requiring people to pay masses for it or take instead drugs which harm their bodies is indeed insane.

    That we only think that even Isis does what it does for no reason except the love to kill and do not take into consideration that we first of all destroyed their countries resulting in the deaths of millions of their people including innocent children having even prior to that our actions resulted in the death of 500,000 children in Iraq with our, the West's leaders believing it was a good thing, while We, the West, in particular our alley who we collude with in everything, the US has supported for decades Death Squads in South America who just like ISIS remove the heads of civilians and sometimes their inners as well shows indeed that the West is one hell of a sick entity. The West believes it can destroy at will. The West believes it has the right to destroy countries. The West believes it has the right to massacre at will. The West believes it has the right to remove Democratically elected Leaders and to put in instead those who will massacre the people as long as that brings to the West the money it wants. Without question you are right, the West, not just the UK is one hell of a sick bugger.

    With this young woman we show that we have given up all question of our liberal and humanitarian values. We knew at the time that she had been seduced, groomed at a very vulnerable age to go to join ISIS. She did not go for religious reasons. She says she only got interested in Islam shortly before she went. She says why she went. It appeared exciting. It was offering her Independence. She was 15. We do not know what she experienced after that. I worked as a counsellor and I absolutely know that without working with her it is impossible to know. I also know that go back 20 years, go back to prior 9/11 when we were a modern liberal democracy and there would be absolutely no question of this country projecting onto her the evils of the world. We would have seen her as she was, a child seduced, possibly suffering from Stockholm syndrome. She and her child would have been taken with care and given treatment to help her recovery. This could be secure care till we know the situation. Now we have become so sick we project all the ills of the world, a great deal of which emanate from ourselves, on to her.

    The UK has lost its humanity and is deeply psychologically sick.
     
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    Tell me, do you seriously believe anyone would get away with that? The courts would use them as a 'Don't even think about it!' to other might-be victims of burglary, and the householder would find himself in the slammer and the key thrown away, and the burglar would live to burgle another day. Probably later the same day?

    How can an adult have lived so long, yet be so bloody naive? How can somebody use so many words to say so little?
     
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    Good post, except she's no 'fatuous little girl', she's a ruthless and calculating woman.
     
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    I think there is a very high probability that you are more dangerous than her. You have advocated killing people many times here. I believe you also supported the man who did the terror attack against Muslins at Finsbury Park. She however says she has never been involved in anything like that and given her honesty I see no reason to disbelieve her. I was just stating the difference in psychology that we have had since 9/11. You want to harm her. You are not wanting protection. I said secure accomodation. I am not suggesting anything which would cause any danger to anyone. I am just suggesting the attitude which the UK would have had when it was a Western Liberal Democracy and how we have degraded so that the voices which are loudest are those of the psychologically sick who project onto a 15/19 year old girl their hatred, their killing, their collusion in the destruction of countries and the deaths of millions.

    This was the sort of thing people from the Frankfurt school hoped to sort out so that another WW2 would never happen. For a long time we were becoming psychologically more healthy but now we are back to the level of sickness and inhumanity we had in the 1930's - not of course all of us, but some and arguably this government.
     
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    Get away with what.

    So you are promoting murder again.

    No. You are simply trying to justify your attempt to incite the killing of this 19 year old girl. Even now this is against the law of this land. I am not responsible for your lack of knowledge and your desire to kill.

    Again, what I suggested would have harmed no one. It simply is the humanitarian way to go and how we would have acted when we were a Western Liberal Democracy. If during that it was found she had done something which ought to face court then that could be dealt with and dealt with in context.

    Your thinking is much the same as ISIS. I understand, although I think they have a quick court which you would not, but then they quickly kill the person as you frequently incite.
     
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    FFS - get away with what I highlighted in blue??

    I'm not promoting anything, just pointing out how naive the ridiculous assertion you made is.

    Whereas you'd welcome her back with open arms to kill some of your countrymen. Can the liberal mind not recognise that possibility?

    Why don't you go and preach your bleeding-heart, holier-than-thou 'humanitarian way' to Islamic State and see how much they'll appreciate it. Jesus christ this is sooo ****ing depressing! Even when someone points out the glaring flaws in their rationale they still don't get it. :wall:

    If you want a response to that you'll have to put the words in the right order.
     
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    You're engaging in personal attacks because you have no argument. To you everything is emotion. You do not like it so kill so you incite murder and you do. It is incitement to kill you engage in on this forum. Britain has no death sentence. You would like to take us back to the dark ages like ISIS
     
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    At least we agree on something! What you spectacularly fail to realise, though, is that if we don't stop them they'll do exactly that? How do you suggest we stop them if not my way, ask them nicely? :roflol:
     
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    No, where the difference is, is that you believe in killing a young woman because she wanted excitement and independence. She has said that was what motivated her and it is very likely that that was. In that way she is no different to most adolescents. Now where social media has made a change is that prior to social media experts would have dealt with her and in this instance I would lay a bet that it was adolescent excitement which was to blame. That does not constitute a death sentence even in the US but that is what you are wanting. You have a girl who there is no evidence ever did anything worse than that and you want her dead. That our government is to a large extent going by public opinion illustrates our move towards fascism. Fascism acts on emotion and ignores facts. That is what you are doing.

    As for stopping them. Stopping them what? I have already said Theresa May when Home Secretary allowed into this country someone who was recruiting people to go and fight in Syria despite British Muslims asking her to ban him. So possibly one way would be for our Government not to allow people in to recruit. As far as terrorism in this country, the Government deliberately did what they were told by our intelligence would cause this. They were given a warning by our Intelligence that if they attacked Iraq, that would bring Islamic terrorism to the UK. The Government knowing this went to war with Iraq on lies given to the public.

    People join ISIS for political not religious reasons or the vast majority do and this is known from research. In the new video I linked to that girl said she didn't know what Islam was so didn't realise this was not Islam. The West since 9/11 has become demonic best illustrated by Trump who in many ways is just more honest than the rest. He has now announced the US is going to destroy Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba and put his cronies in power instead which if successful would involve more death squads and he has put in charge the person responsible for them in the past, more chopping off of civilians heads including children, more cutting out of their inners - and that is by the people who the US is supporting. Venezuela is hoping to get something done in the UN to support the non aligned countries to offer them some safety.

    Very few Scottish Muslims left to go to Syria. Some of them put that down to the good relationship the Scottish Government and police have with them, allowing them to feel part of society. That helps.

    I am far more worried about climate change than any Muslim terrorism. I lived in London when PIRA were up to their terrorism and did go through times of being scared but I do not feel scared of this. I have heard it suggested that that sort of thing will go on until we sort out the mess that we have made in the ME - if we can ...but Climate destruction is much more dangerous and the much more likely thing to effect you and me.

    On the other hand to change things we need to start being honest about what we have done and we need to remember how to talk. While we don't our governments will go along with this moving us more towards fascism or some other authoritarian form of Government using people's emotions go on more killing sprees and supress the effect of the destruction of our economical system - and here I am talking abut the west in general not just Brexit as well as avoiding dealing with what we must if we do not want human extinction. Since Paris the UK Government have cut the work they do on this. They are possibly so **** scared and not knowing what to do that they have gone psycho.
     
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    Why is it, do you believe, that Muslims leave a temperate climate to live the rest of their lives in a permanently cold one; I'm thinking more of Scandinavian countries rather than Scotland, but either way?

    They have a phrase in the ME region which states 'It is written.', and it means an event is meant to be and will progress to its end irrespective of how much blood is spilled on the way. That's what we're looking at here; I've already said 'Islam is in no hurry', but have no doubt, Scotland will one day be Sharia and Islamic. Probably early in your grandchildren's lives. We're talking Armageddon.
     
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    Not what comes to mind when you think of clever, articulate activist is she! Clearly a huge danger to the UK, we should fight 19 year old girls on the beaches, fight them in.....................................................................................................................we will never surrender!
     
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    Ps, does my bomb look big in this!
     
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    19 year old females are women not effing 'girls' fcs! Incidentally some of the atrocities we've seen already were committed by females? Or 'girls'! :roll:
     
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    How would we know when you're living in a 'tent'? :mrgreen:
     
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