Britain Is Bleeding

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  1. Rucker61

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    Certain demographics of Americans, not the vast majority of Americans. But you know this.
     
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    No. Even your most law abiding and drug gang free states have gun violence many orders of magnitude higher than the European average .... but you know this

    Heads up .... we have criminals here too. We just dont allow them the easy facility to be as lethal as yours. Demographics don't enter into it only access to firearms does
     
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    Who said anything about terrorism? We were talking about your grasshoppers
     
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    Silly me. And there was me thinking this thread had something to do with us 'bleeding' :roll:
     
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    When you can prove that law abiding concealed carry permit holders are suddenly;
    Gee Willigers !
    Let me go rob a bank or convenience store, or that Nun asking for donations,
    I will agree to strict gun control.
    However, that is not what is happening.
     
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    You realize things betimes drift from the title topic... yes? This your first time here?


    Not to mention the topic isn't about terrorism. You're not really what they call a "reader" eh?
     
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    But certainly 35,000 needless deaths a year are happening though arent they ? To put that into context for you thats more than the entire number of combat losses of the Vietnam war every 20 months :roll:
     
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    Just putting into perspective the gross hypocrisy evidenced here. Sorry if its confusing :roll:
     
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    Hey when yall want to throw off your grasshoppers yall just ask nice, hear?
     
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    I haven't seen the statistics. My own experience with daylight housebreakers is that they tend to shy away from occupied premises. There are plenty of places that have all residents out during the day. The other point is that since firearm ownership in the UK is fairly low (I think) then it must be that it isn't a deterrent to crime as it would be in the US.
     
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    Yes, all that is undiluted spin where the plod (at the behest of the Home Office) says 'Oh dear, no - crime isn't increasing at all, it only seems like it is because more victims are reporting it to us.' FFS :wall: :wall:
     
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    And it's true, because only the criminals have them, and they're a fairly low demographic in the UK. In other words, criminals have more rights than the law-abiding. Welcome to the madhouse!
     
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    If that were so then why is the rate of burglary in the US some 1.5 times that of the European average ? Clearly your guns are little deterrent
     
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    Where is the information that shows the majority of deaths are indeed unnecessary? If the majority are related to either suicides, or known criminals killing other known criminals, what exactly is the problem with such?

    Beyond such, there is still no evidence that those who are legally carrying firearms, and have gone to the effort of acquiring concealed carry permits, are the ones responsible for these deaths.
     
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    Just imagine how much worse that crime would be if the UK citizenry were obsessed with guns as they are in the US :omfg:
     
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    Imagining hypothetical possibilities holds no actual merit in discussions based on observed and confirmed facts.
     
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    Actually, that's not true.... but heaven forbid a gun hater should ever acknowledge something as pesky as facts in any discussion....
     
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    We don't have any law abiding or drug gang free states, and nearly all such violence is caused by said criminals.

    You conflate suicide with gun violence, and the suicide rate in the US is similar to many European countries. Which specific European countries do you refer to when you say "Europe", so that we can compare actual numbers from states like Vermont and New Hampshire?
    Yet other European countries restrict firearms access and don't have the same results as the UK. Perhaps being an island, with centuries of the acceptance of your betters telling you what is best for you have bred a docile popuplation, much like Japan. The common folk have never had much use for firearms, unlike in the US.
     
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    Does anyone else feel that the title of this thread would be better written as "Britain is Bleeding ___________", and subsequent posters could just fill in the blank?
     
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    Its the sheer hypocrisy of someone opening a thread with this title when the US murder rate is many times ours .The amount of hair splitting and outright denial of the obvious cause of that staggers belief frankly

    Again .....

    http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate
     
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    See, where the Pro Gun control people lose ground is referring to high crime and murders committed as a reason to either increased restrictions or bans on firearms as if the people that have qualified for concealed carry and firearms are the ones committing crimes and murder, why not come out and say it ?

    You common citizens are not to be trusted with
    guns ?
    That is the U.K. take on matters, the Law Abiding are seen as a problem and firearms restrictions are geared towards the segment of the population less likely to commit crimes.
     
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    Your government said that under no circumstances would they trust any citizen with a handgun for any reason whatsoever, except for those who would be protecting the "important" people. You subjects agreed that not a single person in the entire country was trustworthy enough. What does that say about the people of the UK?
     
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    NOT much.

    Make laws affecting the vast law abiding majority based on the criminal acts of a few.
    Makes loads of sense.

    So the law abiding majority can't be trusted with guns, The truth is finally out.
    The true gun ban agenda.
     
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    In America gun control is an issue, in the UK it is not.
    While this issues divides America politically, it unites the UK.

    So yes, while I would like a machine gun and a broom handled Mauser to add to my collection, nominally, I don't actually care about this strongly.
    I wouldn't get out of bed to go down the voting booth over this for example.

    Even a gun nut like me, and full blown government hating individualist like me... is basically quite proud of our way of life. I don't look to America and think to myself...
    I want that here. Because I very deeply do not want that here.
    I get as much of that as I want on my holidays there. And then leave it there and return here to live free.
     
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    If any political party here advocated emulating similar gun laws to the US it would face instant electoral oblivion.

    Along with the rest of the developed world we see needless gun violence as a very bad thing. Its nothing to do with governments denying us anything. How can they deny us what we don't want ..... and never will ?
     
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