Britain meddled in 2016 election

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  1. bigfella

    bigfella Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. It doesn't require any elaborate conspiracy theory to work out why the UK might want to keep such information classified. Sadly most of the people who get agitated by this stuff see Putin as harmless or even admirable and their own governments as evil.
     
  2. AmericanNationalist

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    Actually, I see the UK government in alignment with Putin's government against US interests. Whether it's Russia, UK, Canada, or China I don't want anyone 'meddling' in our US elections. It's much worse in the UK's case since they may have given at the very least 'misleading' information that otherwise hampered the bureau in its investigation.

    With information like that, I don't need their 'intel sharing' and I still want to sanction them.
     
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    I think you're absolutely wrong, not least because the UK wants a strong and stable United States to act as a bulwark against Russian ambtions whereas Putin wants the opposite.

    You (and me and anyone else who is not privy to classified information) have no idea what UK intelligence services have shared with their US counterparts and what kinds of caveats they may have placed around the reliability of any such information. We have reports of what a private individual who used to be a member of the UK intelligence services approximately ten years ago ma have put in a dossier but as far as I know, that's it.

    That would be a shame for the US. There are parts of the world where the UK's intelligence gathering is reportedly very effective - but that's what you get with an isolationist administration I guess.
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

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    If the UK wants a strong and stable US, My humble suggestion to my English brothers would be to not interfere in America's domestic politics. We can take care of ourselves, regardless of the present situation. Even when I supported brexit, I did not see that as interference in British affairs(I saw it as a crusade for British freedom actually, as the EU had grown corrupt and oversized.) but if the British had chosen to Remain I would've supported them just the same.

    That same humble suggestion goes to Ukraine, China and Russia as well. American sovereignty is a sore spot. If you'll remember, we waged a revolutionary war for it. It's still important to us.
     
  5. The Don

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    I guess that's where we differ. If US intelligence services had intelligence about a UK politician and candidate, especially if it related to them possibly be compromised with regard to an unfriendly foreign power, then I'd want it to be shared with the UK intelligence so that we could determine whether the information was credible.

    Now, if the US then publicly announced that they had passed information to the UK with the intent of undermining that politician then that would be a horse of an entirely different colour. As far as I know, the UK's sharing of intelligence with the US was announced by the US.
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

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    Not even announced by the US, but rather by our overactive media on this 'saga'. And the topic of interest relating to British interloping is quite significant because the means and methods(that we know of), might be technically legal under US law but leave a bad taste in most people's mouths. The Trump saga, at the very least has revived some 9/11-esque concerns with the intelligence community and those will have to be revisited, whether the Pentagon likes it or not.
     
  7. bigfella

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    You have laid out in some detail your belief that a Fascist dictatorship can be brought into being in the US without infringing on any Constitutional rights. That makes any statement based on your judgement suspect from the outset. If I were you I wouldn't lean on that particular stool. It is short a couple of legs.

    No one provided evidence of UK 'meddling' in the 2016 election, as opposed to the mountain of evidence that Russia interfered. All we have is yet another part of the vast, all purpose conspiracy theory Trump supporters and their fellow travellers are using to avoid reality.

    You don't have the first clue what has gone on, if anything. What we do know is that UK intelligence is very valuable to the US. When you achieve your dream of a Fascist dictatorship in the US you can cut off intelligence sharing deals. Until then all the sane people in the US can be pleased that you are not the one making decisions this important.
     
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    What would an Australian know about US Constitutional rights? And to the contrary, UK interfering in the election is known knowledge(Christopher Steele, there's just one name. Alexander Downer is another.) Ukraine is also known for Pro-HRC statements. So yes, this is quite open knowledge and all you're confessing is that YOU don't know it.


    And considering that none of the information seems to have been used by the Mueller team, you can see where it really wasn't that important(if accurate. Which its widely reported not to be.) So yes, UK/Australia are in hot water with our nation as it relates to future alliances.

    That's what happens when you put your hand in the jar. As an American, my humble suggestion to foreigners of any type is not to intervene whatsoever with elections or investigations or any matters pertaining to US Domestic affairs.
     
  9. Zorro

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    Christopher Steele had nothing to do with any GOP opposition that was purchased from fusion, but, that's essentially the lie that the FBI and DOJ put before FISC by criminally concealing that the warrant application was based on DNC and Hillary Campaign unverified and salacious filthy innuendo. In fact, they submitted it to the court as VERIFIED and then even faked up "cooroboration" based on a news article that was sourced to Steele, feloniously representing to FISC that it was independent corroboration.

    And then the Roberts reporting and selected FISC judges did their Stevie Wonder imitation rather than holding the government accountable to OUR civil liberties, as is their pretense for existing.

    All horrible stuff, lies and crimes. My concern is that Trump will be tempted to do the same, that is why I and so many other Constitution Loving Conservatives are urging so strongly for full and complete released. This weaponization of our spy system against Americans and American Political Campaigns deployed by the evil and corrupt Obama, Comey, Mueller, McCabe, Stzork, Page, Powers, Rice, Brennan, Crapper and Lynch has to be exposed and the guilty held to legal account, stripped of all Federal positions of trust and imprisoned if appropriate.
     
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    All of these means and methods are already known, whether it be russia or israel. Unless you are speaking of a brand new, top secret new technology.

    These are the excuses intel and gov't uses in order to keep the People from knowing just how nefarious they really are.

    BTW, I was just reading that the Nazis meddled in US elections, by using the media of the time. So, hardly anything new with meddling, trying to affect, US elections by foreign powers. Yet we act like the russian meddling was something new and only happened when trump ran. ha ha.
     
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    I've never trusted British intelligence.

    It was MI-16 who fed fake intelligence to President Bush (43) that Iraq had WMD's.

    It was MI-16 who fed fake intelligence to President Obama and crooked Hillary that Omar Gaddafi was killing his own people when the truth was he was killing Al Qaeda.

    I still question if the Zimmerman telegram that British intelligence sent to President Wilson was a fake telegram ?
    The British sucked America into the most stupidest war of all times.

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    That's an interesting perspective, here in the UK the view is that the US were desperate for evidence of WMD and had plenty of their own. The UK then compiled a "Dodgy Dossier" to justify going into Iraq in support of the US as a loyal lapdog.

    It really is interesting how the US right has come to love Gaddafi when for decades they were painting him as a dangerous revolutionary.

    He was killing plenty of people, most of whom were not Al Qaeda.
     
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    Europe's regime change in Libya was all about oil, Libyan oil.

    To get Obama and crooked Hillary involved France and the UK said that Gaddafi was killing its own citizens and in was a NATO mission even though most NATO nations knew the truth and didn't participate.

    Who was Gaddafi actually killing ? Al Qaeda.

    Obama being the biggest supporter if the Arab Spring thought with regime change in Libya the Muslim Brotherhood would be able to gain power in Libya.

    But in the endgame it was those Islamist jihadist waving black flags who won in Libya.
     
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    The whole point of selling out the interests of "the people" is to get filthy rich. Every time you turn around the little guy is getting stepped on or forced to foot the bill for the interests of the elite.

    The international financiers who own the defense contractors will not be on the hook for the massive debt/deficits which are used to pad their pockets on the basis of getting ready for some war that will never be fought or some enemy that does not exist. It is the US citizens that will get stuck holding the bag.
     
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    This is why the only people that REALLY care about the investigations going on are Progressives.

    The hypocrisy of how the two sides are treated is simply too much. All it does is feed into the narrative of "the deep state"
     
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    Thankfully we don't need to sanction Britain... they're sanctioning themselves with Brexit
     

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