Britain to ban sale of all diesel and petrol cars and vans from 2040

The theory is real. In reality the theory was fake and not based on anything.

Communistic nations aren't environmentally friendly as far as I know.
So what you put up is not true.

 

WHAT OF THE POLLUTION CONTRIBUTING TO CLIMATE CHANGE
and possibly other toxicities to our environment
PRODUCING THAT ELECTRICITY TO POWER AUTOMOBILES

Ask @Sallyally
Windmills obstruct atmospheric thermal conveyors.
So it's not just about killing birds that use those convenient wind currents.


Moi

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That is a weird subsidy where government makes more on a gallon sale than the oil company...and a lot more than the gas station.

Maybe that is the problem? Government makes too much money on gas & oil taxes and will never let those taxes go.

 

Never mind 2040

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...32-air-pollution-climate-change-a8590661.html

Electric vans will not be able to tow by 2040 and nowhere near by 2032.

What makes politicians so stupid and out of touch?

 

Electric vans are already available.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41025771

It's you who is out of touch.

 

Sounds like a PR move and nothing else

 

electricity is a tragedy in belgium
highest prices of europe and the threat of not having enough

there is a real risk of parts of belgium being cut off this year in winter because only 1 out of 7 nuclear powerplants are currently working, at the same time they plan to close all of them permanent in a good 6years to

they even made a plan for flanders due to the real risk of not having enough and they are basicle hoping to avert it by buying from germany .

you can't promote electric cars when you already risk running out of it,
also i pay 60+ a month currently solo for my electricity 50+% is ofcourse plain taxes

 

I suspect that whoever sponsored this law also purchased this mans camel herd. They breed quite fast like their indigenous masters..so in 33 years..the UK might just look like a take from Lawrence of Arabia!




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-Britains-biggest-herd-market-13k-each.html

 

You think? lol

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/05/volvo-cars-electric-hybrid-2019


There already is a European car company who will comply.

 

Did you attempt to read my post?

So which van can tow, say, a 1.8t digger and how far will the batteries last?

 

Didn't tesla released electric trucks? Trucks are made to carry stuff.

There is also this:


If there are electric trucks, pretty sure there are electric vans that could tow. If not, it's confident to say there will be available in the next decades.

 

I put up an article that proves there are electric vans.
And I aint the only one who did that.

You're now just pushing the goalpost with this interrogation.
How about you mail them companies who make those vans and ask them yourself?
I mean.. why should I? It aint 2040.

 

I've never denied that electric vans do not exist. I've always stated that, currently, vans cannot tow. So no goalposts have been moved. It's likely some didn't look to see where the goalposts were!!

As I initially said at the beginning of the thread, the reason for the deadline is to motivate vehicle manufacturers into creating the technology to make it feasible to move away from petrol and diesel.

I don't believe the 2040 target is achievable and will be delayed. When Nissan brought out their electric van, it took many e-mails with them for them to finally say, "We doing have any electric vans that can tow". In fact, there are no tow bars for such vehicles.

 

I think it's a rather small step from a van that hauls massive amounts, to a van that can pull a certain amount.
And you asking what the batteries will do pulling a digger.... is moving the goalpost for sure.

 

Unfortunately, I don't share your confidence that the technology will be available by the deadline, well, feasible technology. I'm not aware of any vans in the UK that can tow, I think some hybrib cars can tow but then you're just running on petrol engine.

Trucks are not really ideal on construction sites.

Funny how Sir Clive Sinclair was ahead of the game with his C5 idea. The fools laughed at him.

 

If you work in construction, what items and materials do you think need towed?

Are you thinking of the family going to a campsite with a diddy trailer carrying a 4 man tent?

So towing are the goalposts but if you tow a trailer with a digger in it, the goalposts moved? Bizarre.

 

If you work in construction, than you would know that paper actually weighs quiet a lot.
And when postal services are switching electric, than it proves it can haul quiet a lot.

And if the material is inside the van or outside the van... that gets to be a detail, not some massive obstacle they can't tackle in 20 years. May I remind you that Tesla did not even exist 20 years ago. They produced the first car on a lithion battery who was able to hit the highways... 10 years ago. It's in no way a novelty to see on today. You really are not in touch how fast we're inventing stuff. There are cities with 26 ton electric garbage trucks.

And that all was done without a government making customers pick those cars. And now,.. they will be. So either they ramp up their investments in electric cars / vans, or they'll will lose to the competition.

 

Not sure how you would load a panel Van with, say, tarmac and then put the road roller in. Not really sure a van with such a load get very far running on electric.

Like I said, the technology is not there at the moment and I can't see the technology being developed to be feasible by the deadline.

Having a van for letters/paper is different to construction needs.

 

Paper is actually rather heavy. It's half of what concrete weights. And so an entire truck full with paper... is massive.
I also noted that there are 26 ton electric garbage trucks around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_roller
The: Ride-on with articulating-swivel, Bomag BW 219 DH WR 2500... is less than 20 ton.
The: Caterpillar CS-533E.. is 12 ton.


And here you are claiming there is this massive technology gap.
You really have to do better than just complain.

 

You call it complaining but it's an observation. Wait until 2040 when people will need to make the switch and they say, "To what?".

All well and good if you want to haul paper, but not everyone is in the paper and posting business. Without you being in construction, I don't think you grasp the issue.

For example, the landscape gardener that puts his trailer under the concrete chute for a half cube or a cube post dry mix concrete will not be able to do that with a van. The ones that get that emptyied into a pickup have the posts etc.. on the trailer. Also, some use a 4x4 and all landscaping materials are done by trailer.

So it's not a complaint, I don't wish to haul heavy envelopes, I just can't see the technology happening by 2040, let alone 2032.

 

Regulations aren't communism. We need to act now and much more drastically to protect our future. The experts in all fields of science globally are warning us of the consequences of our unsustainable civilization, overusing dwindling resources, and our CO2 planet heating experiment. Future generations will learn to loath the Republican Party which screwed them because of some ridiculous anti-science conspiracy theories and lots of political donations from big oil. Here is what we need to do:
Phase out gas cars by 2030.
Phase out all CO2 energy generation by 2040.
Make abortion and birth control free globally to reduce population.
Make recycling universal.
Replace our meat industry with a plant diet.

If the entire planet doesn't do it together right now, then our future is lost. CO2 will cause run-away climate change which will desertify the United States, flood coastal cities, create massive hurricanes, and much more. If the warming causes a chain reaction it may result in extreme warming that will cause an extinction event in the future that may even threaten humanity. Humans now the ability to screw ourselves and our planet. We need to use our power wisely or plunge humanity into a new dark age for thousands of years.

 

The link you gave me says the car will be only partially electric power which fails the mandate

 

They already build massive garbage trucks who don't run on fossil fuels. And you think you got a point that a simple 4 x 4 is way out of reach of the current technology? lol

 

Are you expecting large garbage trucks to get up narrow British lanes to do a fence job?

You either need to start thinking or get up to speed with the topic.

There are many areas where a certain number of houses take their refuse bins down to a collection point.

What is the point in putting concrete in to a garbage truck?

 

I doubt that. Since the ban isn't on hybrids.