Britain to ban sale of all diesel and petrol cars and vans from 2040

If they can make a electric garbage truck, than you do not have a point that a 4 x 4 is too difficult to develop in 20 years.

 

It's helpful to actually read the link in the OP before commenting.

"The government warned that the move, which will also take in hybrid vehicles, was needed because of the unnecessary and avoidable impact that poor air quality was having on people’s health"

 

You could also read my link better...
It says Volvo will make only hybrids or full electric cars.
You're pretending it ended at hybrids.

 

Don't bet on it. The technology is being driven by the middle/upper classes that like to think they are "doing their bit for the environment" they have the disposable income to dispose on these kiddycart things..good luck to them. Whilst they are creating a demand the manufacturers will supply it and improve it...the batteries will get smaller the cars will get better as technology improves so will the end product...with the help of government handouts...if people want to buy them...fine. The new electric Jag has a 2 hour re-charge and over 200 mile range so here in the UK that's not bad for getting about...if you want one... which a lot of people seem to!

 

Its for trains.....electric highspeed trains...its politically correct

 

I don't either.

Electric car technology is not like VHS or DVD technology, it's more like cell-phone technology.

When VHS players first came on the market, they sold for $750. With economy of scale, the price had dropped over 10-12 years, so that they were selling for $79. DVD was no different. DVD players entered the market at $450-$750 and within 10-12 years, with economy of scale, the price has dropped so that I can go to Best Buy or Wal-Mart and buy a DVD player for $29-$35.

With electric car technology, you'll see radical technological changes, just like you saw with cell-phones, and the price of electric cars will never drop appreciably.

The reason so few in the US and Britain now own electric cars is the price. Unless the price drops dramatically, and it won't, 24 Million out of 27 Million British households won't be able to afford electric cars, just like 180 Million out of 189 Million households in the US can't afford the price of electric cars.

Given that 7 of the 8 previous Inter-Glacial Periods were warmer than present, you cannot guarantee that doing so will not result in global temperatures rising in spite of that.

From applications of both correspondence analysis regression and best modern analogue methodologies, we infer July air temperatures of the last interglacial to have been 4 to 5 °C warmer than present on eastern Baffin Island, which was warmer than any interval within the Holocene.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...t_interglacial_on_Baffin_Island_Arctic_Canada

Guarantee 100% that will not happen during this Inter-Glacial Period.

Never mind, you cannot.

Our pollen-based climatic reconstruction suggests a mean temperature of the warmest month (MTWA) range of 9–14.5 °C during the warmest interval of the last interglacial. The reconstruction from plant macrofossils, representing more local environments, reached MTWA values above 12.5 °C in contrast to today's 2.8 °C.

https://people.ucsc.edu/~acr/migrat...nterest/Eurasian Basin/Kienast et al 2008.pdf

That's what happened during the last Inter-Glacial Period.

Guarantee that it will not happen again.

Oh, that's right, you can't.

People of limited intellect would never weigh the question: "Why is this Inter-Glacial Period colder than all the others?"

So....why is it colder than all the others?

 

OP

It won't happen; it's merely a vote-catching ploy to the environmental lobbyists at the next general election. That's how shallow our politicians are these days.

 

And where will all those squillions of acidic batteries end up, landfills?

 

It will happen, get used to it.
Batteries contain valuable materials so the recycling rate will be very high.

 

I say again - it won't happen. The 'valuable materials' in all those batteries would need to be decontaminated before they could be put to other uses and in all probability it won't be economical to do it.

 

What you call decontaminating is the separation of materials for recycling. It will become a huge industry in itself.
New fossil fuel cars will not be sold after 2040. The existing internal combustion cars will continue to be used for as long as the fuel is affordable.
By 2050 virtually all the cars will be electric.

 

It might well become a 'huge industry' - indeed with the entire world's used-up batteries piling up in the respective landfills, I'll bet it will - but it won't a be a profitable one. Not only that, but the non-valuable parts of the batteries (the chemicals and acids?) will themselves contaminate water tables in the surrounding areas. So I say yet again - it ain't gonna happen, it's political pie-in-the-sky vote-catching drivel. Same as autonomous cars, actually - they'll never be practicable on the roads. Think 'overtaking other vehicles'?

 

I'll have to have to disagree on that one, Mr. Cerberus. Recycling takes place in a controlled environment and the contamination would be minimal. Acids are removed and neutralized, plastic may be incinerated (if not recycled), metal would be melted, etc. Recycling a lithium battery makes much more sense than digging through tens of tons of dirt to mine the metal in the first place.

 

I'm not saying it can't be done, only that it wouldn't be profitable to do it? But I'll admit that I'm speculating.

 

It will be profitable and much cheaper than mining as Canell says.
You are thinking of lead acid batteries like you car uses but electric car batteries are nothing like that.
The technology is continuously improving on batteries and who knows where they will be by 2040.

 

Hydrogen is the only way to go. If more and more cars are to be electrically powered we'll need more newcular power stations to support the extra demand. It's a government scam to accrue more taxation under the guise of 'protecting the environment'.

 

So by 2050 cars will mainly be powered by burning coal? The source of electricity is dominated by fossil fuels. So we burn coal or gas to boil water. Then we use the steam to create mechanical energy through a turbine. The mechanical energy is used to generate electricity. The AC electricity is transformed to very high voltage & distributed through transmission lines to your neighborhood where it is stepped down to 220V AC. Then in your garage, the AC is converted to lower voltage DC power. That is used to charge your batteries. At every step there are inefficiencies and lost energy. Contrast with my Toyota gas guzzler. It burns fossil fuel and converts it directly into mechanical power. So which vehicle needs to burn more fossil fuel?

As for practicality, I can see how an EV would work if you are simply commuting back & forth to work maybe 10 miles away. But I live in the Western US. What if I want to go on vacation from Denver to Yellowstone? It is almost 600 miles. If I spring for a $50,000-$100,000 car, I can get halfway there. But I can't drive the full range of the car out west. Too much open space. Even with a gas car, I fill up when the tank hits 1/2. Because there may not be a gas station for 70-80 miles. So it sounds like my Yellowstone vacation, instead of taking one long day in transit each way, is going to take 3-4 days each way in my Tesla. Assuming Laramie has a charging station within walking distance of a motel. I don't see that infrastructure existing in remote western towns within 20 years.

 

That's only because garbage trucks stop and start so much.
The efficiency loss using a normal combustion engine is much greater for vehicles that have to constantly stop.

 

It takes a massive effort to stop and go all the time, compared to go with a steady speed. lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy-efficient_driving
Maintaining an efficient speed is an important factor in fuel efficiency.[5] Optimal efficiency can be expected while cruising at a steady speed

 

Yup, everyone said that the telephone would never catch on too...