British National Healthcare System holds top spot in worldwide healthcare survey

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    soylent green will make you vomit. Hope the gov supplied toilet in your flat doesn't back up.
     
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  2. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The bill's been paid.

    Just get out, Uncle Sam! We'll ring your bell when we need you!

    If ever ...
     
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  3. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people absolutely MUST have the last word. Childish as they are.

    You've had yours. Do you feel better now ... ?
     
  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, goodness, Yes! The report linked changes EVERYTHING!

    Some oldies are complaining about the service! Oh wow! Now that's new!

    What planet do you live on ... ?
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonderful display of Euro trash,
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I bet there are "Some oldies" on this forum that will notice the contempt that socialized healthcare advocates have for the elderly. So, you dismiss the complaints of the "oldies" and mothers in labor - how about the "moody"? Should government healthcare just kill them?

    “The study, published in The Lancet, looked at 168 cancer patients who were receiving palliative care following a terminal diagnosis, assessing their mental state at regular intervals. They found that a patient who strongly expressed the desire to die could say the opposite even some 12 hours later.” BBC, Mood swings 'create euthanasia danger’, Thursday, October 28, 1999 Published at 17:58 GMT 18:58 UK.
     
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  7. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are hopelessly extrapolating from a highly finite number of studies to impugn the entire Healthcare System. If I looked long enough and hard enough, I'd find similar studies in all of Europe.

    Only fools should believe such an improper manipulation ...
     
  8. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Brilliant rebuttal!

    Took lots of thought ...
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enough for you to get it......
     
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    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some nerds must ABSOLUTELY have the last word.

    You've had yours. Do you feel better now ... ?
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When you quote someone expect a response in return is the norm. Bis, I simply disagree with your praise. This does not mean that the US has better care.
     
  12. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Care to define why?

    This is, after all, a "debate" forum ...
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    So, you don't like hearing the ugly truth from that awful Telegraph, or The Guardian, or The Independent, or the BBC - how about Lancet?

    “Last week, for the first time since the inception of the UK's National Health Service in 1948, a government, and a Labour government at that, conceded that patients and NHS staff alike have been consistently ill-served by politicians of all parties.”
    LANCET, The NHS plan: promises that fail the most vulnerable, EDITORIAL, Volume 356, Number 9228, 05 August 2000.
     
  14. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More blah, blah, blah.

    I put up data regarding the whole, and you counter with a tiny bit.

    There is no basis for real comparison. (Apples and nuts are both fruit, but the comparison ends there ...)
     
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    LOL! So, you think Lancet, The Guardian, The Independent and the BBC are all just Fake News sources? ;-)

    Perhaps your a Daily Mail guy.

    "A man of 22 died in agony of dehydration after three days in a leading teaching hospital.
    Kane Gorny was so desperate for a drink that he rang police to beg for their help.
    They arrived on the ward only to be told by doctors that everything was under control.
    The next day his mother Rita Cronin found him delirious and he died within hours."

    THE DAILY MAIL,"Neglected by 'lazy' nurses, man, 22, dying of thirst rang the police to beg for water", Emily Andrews. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ny-22-dying-thirst-rang-police-beg-water.html

    I am sure Kane Gorny will tell you how much he likes the UK's NHS - go ahead - ask him.
     
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    did it flush. Maybe the government will provide you another.
     
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    I am not Pro government in the sense of cradle to grave. I have also researched NHS, Hospital closures and Financials for about 2 years now and my conclusion is you and I are in the same mess with or without the benefit of government.

    No advantage.
     
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  18. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No advantage? Then you don't live in France.

    You don't benefit from a National Healthcare Service that fixes the healthcare fees and the cost of pharmaceuticals. So you pay a monstrous amount for HC-insurance - in the US, the total per capita cost is twice that of France at around $8000. Or, you take the risk of dying sooner without said insurance. (The lifespan in Europe generally is 4-years longer than in the US.)

    I.e. - I don't know what you've been reading as regards comparative National Healthcare Insurance, but you might try here: How does the US healthcare system compare with other countries?

    Excerpt from above link:
    All of which is why I find it not understandable that the American public would want to continue the rip-off of private healthcare insurance. It is tantamount to financial self-flagellation ...
     
  19. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bollocks!

    Moving right along ...
     
  20. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The OECD suffices for level-headed analysis and estimation of comparative National Healthcare Services - an excerpt here regarding the UK:
    At least the Brits are getting value-for-money from one of the best healthcare systems on earth. Much better than building the profits of private insurance companies, as in the US. Which is a rip-off ...
     
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    Keep dancing. ;-)

    The Independent defends socialized healthcare:

    “Ultimately, it may not matter. The astonishing thing about our final shoestring
    experiment with socialism was not how bad it was, or how useless, dangerous
    and incompetent British doctors are, but that it worked at all given its budget.
    Even so, it was hard to ignore such high-profile scandals as Bristol, Rodney
    Ledward and Harold Shipman. Something had to be seen to be done to get
    doctors' houses in order, didn't it?

    The scheme that was cooked up was called revalidation, and was intended to
    regulate practitioners by reviewing their performance on a regular basis. It
    seems to be falling apart, not least because it cannot work without the
    support of doctors. That support is not forthcoming.”
    THE INDEPENDENT, Robert Baker: Don't blame the surgeons, it's our approach to health that is at fault, 5 July 2001.

    Feel better now? :)
     
  22. Ddyad

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    Why deny the obvious? The British and world press has thoroughly documented the failure of the NHS.

    "Ministers are expected to agree that the two drugs, Taxol and Toxotere,
    used for treating breast and ovarian canver, should no longer be rationed
    on the ground of cost. The decision will follow a recommendation from
    the National Institute for Clinical Excellence (Nice), due to be published
    this month.

    Tony Blair made it evident yesterday that the Government was prepared to
    meet the cost of ending what is openly referred to as the "postcode
    lottery" in cancer care."
    THE TIMES, Nigel Hawkes, Tom Baldwin, " Rationing will be
    lifted on cancer drugs" , 4/12/00.
     
  23. tkolter

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    The problem is rationing of care happens in all countries either too costly to access or the government decides what it will and will not cover through some system either by agencies saying it or insurance companies able to slow or refuse care. I'm in a Medicaid HMO they ration my care all the time but do pay for much of what I absolutely need to have covered but refuse comprehensive dental cleanings but will pay for some fillings and extractions. I also can only see a Podiatrist five times a year.
     
  24. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And I "undocumented" that supposed "fact" with the evaluations I have posted myriad times on this forum that show that the country has one of the best Health Care systems on earth.

    Once more, just for your eyes - memorize it:
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    Go away - your ignorance is showing ...
     
  25. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Please find credible sources. Like this one:

    "About 50,000 have taken part in a union protest against austerity cuts and NHS changes...",
    Image cation: Arrests Protesters dressed as zombie doctors and nurses perform a dance routine to Michael Jackson's Thriller”

    BBC, 50,000 march in NHS cuts protest in Manchester, 29 September 2013.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-24286582

    "Austerity" and "zombie doctors" define UK socialized healthcare.
     
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