British Parliament suspended

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  1. Montegriffo

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    Nothing unusual about that though.
    Major took over from the milk snatcher without an election.
    Brown took over from Blair without an election.
    May took over from Cameron without an election.
    A majority of one is still a majority.
    The leader of the opposition has to call for and win a vote of no confidence to force an election.
     
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    Johnson has not been elected except by just over a hundred thousand Tory supporters who want an authoritarian English Nationalist England. I can accept that that suits extreme right American's but it is not British Democracy and is very likely to destroy this country.
     
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    No this is different. We have a Government who in its entire fabric has not been elected and it is without a majority.

    Britain has no constitution. This is just making clear the lack of democracy we have. I was hearing tonight that someone and I think this was a Tory was calling it an 'elected dictatorship'
     
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    Of course if they do manage to force the UK against the will of Parliament and the people to leave with No Deal they will immediately call an election before the consequences are felt. I have heard they are also intent on filling the Lords with hard line Brexiters as the UK becomes authoritarian and Parliament is dispensed of whenever they want - and that is the reason why the people were saying the Queen should have been advised to demand they call an election. Johnson is suspending Parliament because he does not have the majority in Parliament to get what he wants through. If we were a democracy the ethical and democratic thing would be to have a General Election now,.
     
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    Destroy? :roflol:

    Maybe it can be saved from the Muslim invasion that in itself is destroying it. Leaving the EU is a matter of survival at this point.
     
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    The government does have a majority. A majority of one.
    Britain does have a constitution. Not a single written constitution like the US but a collection of constitutional laws.
    What I believe is unconstitutional is not the transfer of power from May to Johnson but the suspension of Parliamentary Supremacy which is written into our Constitutional law.
    This is going to be challenged in the courts and hopefully power will return to Parliament.
     
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    So you are telling the queen what to do? I think she's been doing her job for a very long time, so maybe she knows a little more than you.
     
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    and that coalition is one which has sold NI down the river. I am pretty sure at the time people were saying this went against other rulings in that it clearly would make them favour the DUP's views on Northern Ireland.
    They do not have a majority which can get through the No Deal Boris is trying to put through.

    Britain does not have a constitution. It claims to have an Unwritten one. However Charter 88 noticed that thatcher threw most of that under a bus and Blair finished it off. John Smith, the Labour leader who died and Blair took over from was working with Charter 88 and his intent was to make Britain fully democratic. Blair did not do that. He chose neo liberalism in preference to British Democracy. I understand that if we had wanted to join the EU at the time the East European countries did we would not have satisfied entry requirements. We have since got a Supreme court but on something else which I cannot remember we still would not pass.

    I do agree with you there.
     
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    Of course it is going to destroy the UK. There will be no UK after this.
     
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    https://www.bl.uk/magna-carta/articles/britains-unwritten-constitution
     
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    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ew-epoch-for-democratic-resistance-has-begun/

    They intended a Democratic written constitution rather than a nebulous 'unwritten' one.
     
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    You are perfectly within your rights to campaign for a written constitution.
    Where you are wrong is in asserting that we don't have a constitution.
    We do, it's just not a single codified constitution.
     
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    We have no constitution which is worth anything. It has no legality. It depends on political will - whether people think it is worth trying it on. The Tories clearly do.
     
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    Wrong
     
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    No one voted for any deal.
    People voted for 'leave' and that is what Boris is commited on.
     
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    Westminster System = The Queen takes advice fron the PM and acts in accordance with it. That's the way it is meant to be.
     
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    A self confessed Jeremy Corbyn supporter eh?
    You do come up with some nonsense, but supporting Adolf Corbyn and his hatred of the Jews calling for a hostile take over of Westminster in 2017; Are you on smack or crack?

    You just don't like it that No Deal won and we're going closer to our friends across the world. You of all users have no right to call anyone Hitler or compare anyone to Hitler given your support for Hitler, Socialism and Jeremy Corbyn.

    Isn't there a synagogue somewhere you and your Momentum thugs wish to terrorise.
     
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    I've just reported this since it's insulting that a Momentum supporter should dare call anyone Hitler after following Corbyn bullies and thugs.


    The anti capitalist socialist failed. If anything's been decided, it's that no one wants Jeremy Corbyn to become Prime Minister. That was the one thing opposition leaders and Tory rebels could agree on.
     
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    LOL, the usual sky is falling left when they don't get their way.
     
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    There is no more democracy in Britain than there is in the US.
     
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    I don't know. But it I were a Brit, I would want to be out regardless of the consequences. The EU is going to bog Europe down as it continues taking power from its member countries. Manage your own country. Don't put it in the hands of another power.
     
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    Ha!
    That’s what liberals cry about when they don’t get their way.
     
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    The question was to leave or not.
    No one specified when and how.
    Vote was to leave.
    Boris Johnson executes that decision and gives consideration for the circumstances. It looks like a no deal is the best option now, which is not UKs fault.

    Once the U.K. is out I bet there are going to be new elections coming.
     
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    If EU wanted to avoid a no deal, they wouldn't have told Theresa May she couldn't cherry pick.
    The EU's been placed at the back of the queue now behind the likes of USA and Australia, all because the EU first of all acted like a bloc, and decided that a bad deal or EU membership was all UK could have from them.
     
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    Care to expand on that?
     

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