Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration

I don't need your blessings. You have just had two examples that prove you are incorrect. All I want to do is make sure others are aware you are not giving out factual information.

 

Take it up with the ATF.

 

And all I did was post the letter that the ATF sent to Slide Fire, which is the company we're discussing, which explains to Slide Fire why their bump stock was not regulated. You failed to read the post. If you want to tell the ATF that they were wrong in 2010 when they made that statement, then call them up and tell them. It has exactly zero to do with me or my post.

 

Why? That would be silly. How can you be impeached for enforcing laws that Congress has passed?

 

You can't. But Maxine waters and the usual suspects here would be calling for it.

 

In which case I'd be debating with them. Either the complaint in both scenarios is absurd or the complaint in both scenarios warrants impeachment. I know which side I'm on.

 

True . . . and the political agenda of the "vote for us or liberals will steal your guns" right. Gun control proposals seem to be good business for everyone.

 

Laws are left up to interpretation and if the ATF felt this devise skirts the intension of the law which it did then they could have very easily said the device is illegal and it would have remained illegal till it was challenged in a court

 

Me too but I know damn well if it were trump instead of obama, this same thread would be here except the author would be a liberal. Silliness either way.

 

And they reviewed what they felt was up to their interpretation (with good reason, if you read their letter) and gave their recommendation. Just read the letter in full. I linked it earlier in the thread.

 

Yes, but here is the actual silliness. Right here his this thread. Today. No need for us to dismiss it under the guise of the anticipation of imagined silliness were the roles reversed. If you think, as I do, that it would be silliness for an imagined liberal to say this sort of thing about Trump, then criticize the real people here doing the same thing to Obama.

 

Point taken.

 

Actually the Bumb Stock issue came up a couple days ago and when I looked Trump wax POTUS.

 

It took me forever to find this.

This ruling went a little different.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/r...lusively-designed-increase-rate-fire/download

As noted above, a part or parts designed and intended to convert a weapon into a machinegun, i.e., a weapon that will shoot automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger, is a machinegun under the NFA and GCA. ATF has determined that the device constitutes a machinegun under the NFA and GCA. This determination is consistent with the legislative history of the National Firearms Act in which the drafters equated “single function of the trigger” with “single pull of the trigger.” See, e.g., National Firearms Act: Hearings Before the Comm. on Ways and Means, House of Representatives, Second Session on H.R. 9066, 73rd Cong., at 40 (1934). Accordingly, conversion parts that, when installed in a semiautomatic rifle, resulting in a weapon that shoots more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single pull of the trigger, are a machinegun as defined in the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act.

https://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf?avad=55097_afac27b1&avad=55097_afaee501

Its like they were sleeping during the second decision.

Here is Bill Atkins talking about the ruling.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/reds-akins-open.htm

I guess because you can stop the fire but remove pressure from the forend you can stop it a different another way then just remove your finger from the trigger.

 

your missing the point
if the ATF really wanted to outlaw bump stocks they had good legal standing to do so by claiming it violated the intention of existing laws
and the Obama administration is notorious to interpret laws to fit their agenda
The ATF didn't so they wanted the bump stock to be allowed so don't hide behind a law to justify the Obama administration screwing up which cost many lives

 

What standing did they have to say that it violated existing laws? I've asked that before and no one answered.

 

allowing the general public to own automatic weapons without a special license
and the bump stock violated the intention and spirit of that law

 

Because "maybe" the ATF did it in the past.

 

You know I think I figured it out. The second device was presented to the ATF as a device for people with a handicap.

Obama didn't want to touch that ****.

 

Yes, It's not easy keeping kids away from stuff. They get into just about everything that's not locked up. My long deceased father use to travel on business quite a bit. He would usually bring us kids some small gift after returning from any long trips. My younger brother got into his suitcase looking for any gifts. He found a pack of razor blades. He came out of my parents bedroom crying and bloody. He didn't have any idea what he was playing with was not a toy. I have a good number of guns but there are no kids around.

 

so then it should have only been sold to those with a handicap

 

The ATF doesn't determine that. At least I cannot think of a single example where the ATF has ever done that.

It should have never been approved by the ATF in 2010 in my opinion.

 

That' how they were approved with little effort, no springs. I don't remember them ever being banned but I never saw one until about 6 years ago. The Lightning Link, is not the same but a simple device capable of converting an AR to full auto. It is restricted but only costs $20.00. An Auto Sear is another way to convert an AR to full auto. They can be NFA registered but they are kind of hard to find and expensive for what they are.

 

those can be easily be made makeshift, some say you just wear suspenders and slip your finger under one to have the same effect.

 

Don't all "registered" components require them to be manufactured before 1986? They aren't allowed to manufacture new parts.

Edit- Not manufactured. You aren't allowed to possess them.