Bush: "China's No. 1 target is the US, next is India"/ Do you agree?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...S-next-is-India-Bush/articleshow/10664570.cms

do you agree? i m not, usa is still strong and far away form China. i think China's No. 1 target is Russia, explanation is here http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...russia-america-australia-etc.html#post4582398

 

Yes, China's #1 target is Russia, but in order to do so, it requires that US carriers be forced out of the Western Pacific Ocean and the establishment of the "Island chain defense doctrine" that the Chinese have advanced as a foreign policy goal.

The only way China can become an aggressive power is if US carrier battle groups cannot move west of Guam.

There will one day be a showdown where China will attempt to threaten the US and say that if its carriers do not remove themselves from the Western Pacific ocean, China will destroy them.

World War III will be fought in the waters off Japan and Okinawa.

 

very interesting more info please , is it include Philippines?

 

http://www.globalsecurity.org/cgi-b...y=China+island+defense+doctrine&submit=SEARCH

I highly recommend that you bookmark GlobalSecurity.org and read it regularly. They have the best defense analysts from all over the world working for them and they put out studies and white papers based on all the intelligence.

This white paper alone is over 300 pages and is essentially a study of Chinese maritime strategy from past to present, including how it relates to Russia.

 

the democrats and the republicans, do they have the same strategy on this issue?

 

I would have to say so, the reason being that Japan is our greatest ally in the region and abandoning them to a world where China literally controls all of the water surrounding them is simply unacceptable from both Japanese and American points of view.

Even if America didn't have the stomach to take on the Chinese, the Japanese would

A)Pursue a maritime and aerospace arms race resulting in a rapid buildup of the JDF into a credible maritime and aerospace defense force that will most certainly lead to war

B)Pursue and achieve within a rapid pace of a few years, a nuclear deterrent.

The only reason the Japanese are content to have a small navy of tin can destroyers is they know US carrier battle groups will always be in the region to control any Chinese moves to conquer the waters surrounding Japan.

If the Japanese thought for one minute that the US was incapable of preventing such a move, the Japanese would engage in a military buildup like you wouldn't believe in a desperate need for self defense of their own home waters. If China gets aggressive in the oceans surrounding Japan, there will be war. The Japanese would have absolutely no choice.

 

not sure about this, we(west) like/except Japan like it is, not like it was

 

range of the African countries got the most votes, any explanation?

 

That is where China gets alot of its natural resources and necessarily would require them, if they had a proper global power projection capability to defend those resources because that is the soft underbelly and their one vulnerability.

 

Japan is not some imperialist aggressor. They are a legitimately peaceful democratic people who are in a very bad part of the world. The Chinese want to own the waters surrounding Japan and if the world abandoned Japan, the Japanese would have no choice but to build up to protect their own economic viability.

The Japanese are very very vulnerable. All it would take is a serious naval blockade to bring their entire economy and society to its knees. That must be prevented at all costs, regardless of how the rest of the world feels about it.

 

The only time that China will be aggressive to target any country would be the time she is being provoked. So, if we want to see which country that China "targeted", we would see which country that US is suddenly "befriend" with or give a lot of foreign aids........

 

for new yes, but no one could control the Japanese militarism before, it has too deep roots in Japanese culture

personally i m pro Japan, but i m sure Japan can not get back in time

 

which of them will become part of china most likely?

 

Are you honestly trying to say that the Chinese taking over all of the waters surrounding Japan is not an aggressive move?

The Chinese are already agressive in both the South China Sea, and the waters surrounding Japan. The Chinese want to control the waters around Japan, the motive(defensive or offensive) is irrelavant. The fact is that China cannot be allowed to gain control of the waters surrounding Japan, the Ryukyu's and Taiwan.

That is the accepted wisdom of defense planners all around the world. You are in denial of basic geopolitical facts. Why is the truth so hard for you to accept?

Are you trying to initimate that China has the right to tell the USA to withdraw it's carriers from the Western Pacific Ocean and if the US refuses to do so, then any war that may result would be the fault of the USA?

The USA is a global power, we are not going to just put all of our carriers in port in Hawaii and let China do whatever the hell it wants in the Western Pacific. That is unacceptable. The USA has never ever allowed any nation in the world to deny it access to international waters. Ever.

 

China's longterm goals probably includes all the nations on the list.

Why is it so hard for some people to believe that yet another country wants to rule the world?

It has happened throughout history.

 

Brazil, Russia, India, China and as of 6 months or so ago, South Africa.

B.R.I.C.S., as I mentioned a few times on PF is powerful, given the context of the slow decline of the Pacific Rim trade significance over the last few decades.

From just 6 days ago.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1081304

I voted African. I am not viewing the word target as in military, but as in economic. Look at the vast resources of the BRICS countries. The cheap labor, the strategic ports for trade (SA especially now as the recent add on)
Viewing a world map....BRICS just encircled the EU, and they are also courting Mexico and N. Korea.

 

i said that Japan would not become a militaristic state once again

 

do you think that South Africa is a first on the line? Siberia has a border with china and far less people("integration" problem) then black africa ,

 

china mast "rule the world" or it will be starved to death , literally...

 

The Chinese are already streaming across the Siberian Border and the Amur River illegally and have been doing so for years. One day the Chinese illegals in Siberia will just claim independence from Russia and China will nominally own it.

The question is, will Russia have the ability to prevent Siberia from breaking away from it? I'm not so sure, but I know the Russians will try their entire economic future is locked up in Siberia.

 

The rest of the world must starve so that China can eat well?

This is only slightly about securing basic necessities and more about China's belief that is their turn to rule the world.

 

no it was not my point ... problem is that Chinese civilization has not included individual right

 

not only past , Russian present is in Siberia , "One day the Chinese illegals in Siberia will just claim independence from Russia" - china will simple buy this region , i think then they will try to by Alaska as well

 

That's true.

So a world ruled by China is unlikely to feature individual rights either.

 

do you think that they will take over world mass-culture as well?