But... you can't hunt with an AR!!

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  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    AR or bow and arrow, both are equally suited to hunting humans as they are animals.

    What point are you trying to make exactly?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'Real hunters' use semi-auto, small caliber rifles, like AKs, ARs and Mini 14s, with iron or peep sites. Mostly Indigenous peoples who have inherited hunting rights to their ancestral lands. They'll rapid fire and take several from a herd as it runs from their first shot.

    'Sport hunters' subject to hunting laws on state and federal land tend to use single shot or bolt action, because the weapon itself is cheaper and lighter, leaving extra money for high-end optics and less stress while hiking. They can afford to value one-shot-one-quick-kill, because they're hunting primarily for fun.
     
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    The AR 15 was initially developed by ArmaLite by request of the US military. :)
     
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    I've used an AR to hunt feral pigs in Texas, and I'm going to do it again in January.
     
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    And the Ruger Mini-14 'Ranch Rifle' was designed from the ground up to shoot coyotes and wild hogs.

    But it has the same ammo capacity, rate of fire, uses the same catridge and has precisely the same lethality in every respect as the civilian-legal AR.

    What does this mean to you?
     
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    It means that weapons designed to kill people can also be used for hunting.
     
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    My first one was a 30-40 Krag. It was long and awkward so I used a 30-06. Also had a 30-30 for a while. They all worked quite well for hitting the target and providing deer meat. My sister loves using a bow, and she's pretty good with it. Basically, we just used what we could and didn't worry about it. The two rules were one shot one kill and you eat what you kill.
     
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    Wow. That's deep.
    :roll:
     
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    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    Unicorns?
     
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    Above all, it is not a great insight.
    :)
     
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    Yes, high velocity projectiles tend to be more accurate.
    What the firearm that launches the projectile looks like makes no difference.
    It could just as well be a classic, wooden stock hunting rifle as an M16 wanabe.
     
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    And ergonomic. With a telescoping stock, me, the wife, and grandson can all comfortably shoot the same gun. The pistol grip is more comfortable than twisting the wrist and a front vertical grip helps with my screwed up left arm that won't rotate all the way.
     
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    The AR-15 prototype produced by the Armalite company, is not in any way the same AR-15 that has been produced by countless other firearm manufacturers. Do not even attempt to suggest the two are the exact same thing simply because of the utilized name.
     
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    Pray tell, exactly what makes a specific firearm designed to kill people, as opposed to any other task?
     
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    Folks always forget that part... Being divorced from the actual process of it seems to have created a lot of holier than thou though....
     
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    The military does not hire a gun manufacturer to develop rifles for hunting hogs or deer. They need rifles for killing humans on a battlefield.

    This website recommends some modifications to change an assault rifle into a hunting rifle: https://www.realtree.com/guns-and-shooting/articles/how-to-set-up-an-ar-15-for-hunting
     
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    First of all, all firearms in civilian hands have military roots. Either they began as a military weapon and were picked up for civilian purposes, or their designs were influenced by military weapons. There are very, very few firearms that went the other way, from civilian development and use to military is extremely rare. Even in those rare examples there will be design elements that came out of military arms.

    Thus it is laughable to suggest that any military firearm does not have civilian application be it hunting, target shooting or personal defense. It is like saying that a hammer owned by the military cannot be used on nails owned by civilians. What is this nonsense?

    The "Armalite Rifle" model 15 (AR-15 in 5.56mm NATO/.223 Remington) and model 10 (AR-10 in 7.62mm NATO/.308 Winchester) is a remarkably adaptable design that has advanced greatly from it's earliest days. Especially since the Assault Weapon's Ban of 1994 created a market for it, it is now made in dozens of calibers, barrel lengths, capacities, stocks, sights, the list is endless. Any and all North American game animals can be hunted with AR pattern rifles and indeed they are.
     
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    The AR-15 and AR-10 are not assault rifles.You cannot change them from what they are not into "Hunting Guns", as they are already basic hunting, basic target shooting and basic self defense guns, right out of the box.

    After that, well yes of course there is a massive industry dedicated to sell customization's, optimizations and just plain fashion statements to firearms.If you want your gun's outer finish to match your clothes, your whims, you can buy that. None of it is necessary. It is about squeezing out the last percentage point of performance from the design and more than this, engaging in personal expression.

    Here we have two AR-15 rifles. One looks to be optimized for long range target shooting or hunting. The other is purely a fashion statement. And yet both are just as functionally the same as any common, basic, no frills AR-15 being made today.

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    The pink one with the Hello Kitty sticker looks like an ideal birthday gift for little girls from 10 to 15 yrs. :D
     
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    Yes, it is. And it is important to begin teaching children when they are young. Always begins with safety, respect, not touching a gun when you see one, tell an adult.

    This 8 year old began learning at the age of 3:
     
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    Almost every gun that is used for hunting in the United States was invented as a military weapon. The lever action and bolt-action rifles are derivatives of military weapons. It's the way of firearms technology. Most firearms are derivatives of military firearms.

    We only have the right to keep and bear arms, because firearms can be used to kill other people. Self-defense requires that ability at this time. Any gun that is suitable for self-defense is also suitable for offense. There is no way around that fact.
     
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    I don't know of many single shot bolt actions, except for purely target guns. Most bolt-actions are repeaters.
     
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    Feral hogs are a problem and here in Bama there is no closed season on hogs. I would probably try to trap them and sell them at auction. But a big ol hog will feed a family for a while as long as you get no boar taint. But that seldom happens. Some of those acorn fed hogs will be world class in taste.
     
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    Because they have clips?
     
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    The muzzle loading rifle was the high tech military weapon of it's day.. because of rifling! Much more accurate than smooth bore muskets. AND
    Any semi automatic rifle of proper caliber is good for shooting feral hogs.
     

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