But... you can't hunt with an AR!!

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know if a .222 barrel is made for the AR, but that is a sweet round for long range varmint shooting.

    Way back when a so called friend's father gave me a mint condition Remington 722 bolt action in .222, he was going to give it to his son at his son's birthday party, but the kid told his dad he would toss it in a river, so it wouldn't kill anyone, his dad looked at me and asked if I wanted it, I stood there slack-jawed and once the shock wore off, I replied yes sir and I promise I will take good care of it for the rest of my life.

    He handed it to me and a box of ammo, turned to his son and stated and you will now get nothing for your birthday from me, we where probably 13 or so at the time and his son threw a temper tantrum and ran into his bedroom crying.

    It wasn't a very nice birthday for his son, but I can still remember riding my bike home with it wrapped in a old blanket being held across my handle bars.

    My parents where quite skeptical of how I received it, considering it's value, and actually called the kids father to confirm my story, I still have it and it is still in mint condition and probably worth double or more of what the kids father paid for it.

    At the time I thought his son and I where best friends, but years later after I got out of a Southern Bell installation and maintenance class early on a Friday afternoon, I came home to find him and of my wife of 7 months, screwing on my bed.

    Needless to say that was the end of a friendship and a marriage all at once, and to toss salt on a wound the guy got up and naked chased me out of my home with my cut short double barrel shotgun.

    Knowing what the shotgun was capable of doing I departed the house quickly and went to another bar had a few more beers, later I went back the home, it was dark and his car was gone, inside I found my shotgun on the couch and him and my soon to be divorced wife where also gone.

    Half a year or so later Karma happened, we where already divorced I kept the home, because all she wanted was him, but he dumped her for another girl and shortly after that while driving drunk, he discovered concrete poles win every time.

    Unfortunately I failed to pencil in the date of the funeral, so I have no idea if she was there, but I did find out her younger sister needed a place to crash and she moved in with me, which I am quite sure my ex found about through the family grapevine.
     
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  2. Tim15856

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    I saw that this point was made in another post but it was too late for me to change my post.
     
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    I did go on one pig hunt a couple years ago. I overheard a couple coworkers talking about a private island in the middle of the Susquehanna river where they said pigs are put on the island and allowed to go feral before they have a guided hunt. I asked if I could go with them. However, someone in the group didn't want me going and must have said something to the guides. They treated me like crap. In this group of 30 people I was the only one they sent through the thick brush. everyone else walked through clearings. When the guilds saw a group of pigs they pulled me aside and sent others in the group to shoot them. They made sure I was the last person to shoot one. On the way back to the camp, I asked the guide how often they have those hunts because I knew these weren't feral. They were pretty frequent. And when we got back to shore there was a trailer with a new load of 30 pigs. They make sure they only have one pig per person so that the pigs don't have much of a chance to swim to shore. They didn't have to bother treating me like that to make sure I never want to go again, since it was practically like shooting fish in a barrel I didn't intend to go back anyway. The only good part, being processed by a butcher was the best tasting meat I've had.
     
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    Perhaps of interesting note, the statistical odds of being involved in a mass shooting in the united states are approximately the same as being struck by lightning.
     
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    Haha, I call operations like that a "pet and shoot". They raise the animals and then plant these almost domesticated animals into an area for paying customers to easily slaughter. Years ago I went to an operation like that for pheasants. A couple of my friends had hunting dogs, so the only real value to this endeavor was to give the dogs some experience, and the pheasant meat was good eating. But there was no challenge to it. The pheasants had been pen-raised and had no idea how to act once released onto the open property.

    I hunted feral pigs once before in Texas. The pigs on this ranch were definitely wild, and we did shoot a bunch of them. But it was a low-cost operation, and the lodging and food was very poor. On this next Texas trip, we're paying for a first class operation with nice lodging and food at the ranch. Texas has plenty of truly feral hogs, so this will not be a "pet and shoot". Texas also has plenty of thick brush, poisonous snakes, spiders, and biting insects, so I would not be interested in busting the brush there to look for feral pigs. We'll be in blinds overlooking bait stations. Should be a good time.
     
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    Ideal? No one said anything about ideal, since when does a tool need to be ideal?

    My ruger bolt action isn't ideal for shooting at the range but i use it for that and it works fine.

    Any rifle shooting a 308 at that range and accuracy has little to be ashamed of.
     
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    If similar operations were in place for species such as elephants, they would likely not be endangered, and the legal trade in ivory would serve to cripple the black market.
     
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    Yea right, like any manufacturer would put something that open to litigation in an ad.
     
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    I don't know about legal elephant hunting, but I think there already is some. It is carefully controlled, as I understand it. The problem is poachers.
     
  11. Right is the way

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    Yes. There are some restrictions on rounds. 9mm for example is a no go.
     
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    Wow... memories. One of my first acquisitions for my battery of guns for my nuisance critter eradication service I ran back during my college years was a 1950’s vintage Remington Triple Duce. I got it a a farm estate sale...scope included. It was the first gun for which I started doing my own reloads to feed it; I learned a great deal about that process with that gun. Before I left college, I acquired another varmint rifle, a .22-4000 Sedgley, from a farmer in trade, a gun that the scope (don’t remember which) I mounted, that arguably, was worth more than the rifle; it never rose to my over optimistic level of accuracy performance despite a lot of experimenting so I eventually traded it for a Remington 700 chambered for the .22-250 and used the scope from the .22-4000; worked far better for me when I lived in Colorado. Those years contributed to an obsession that lasted decades in a futile search for the perfect balance of speed, accuracy and terminal performance; an obsession, like many I have succumbed to, that cost me a lot of money but never resulted in my achieving my objective at the time; there was always another pretty girl with curls.
     
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    Not per their regulations. The only requirement is that the ammunition used generates a muzzle energy of 1200 ft lbs of energy. That's not hard to do with a .223, with a little care in ammunition selection.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington

    http://www.eregulations.com/maryland/hunting/deer-regulations-archery-muzzleloader-firearms-airguns/
     
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    Its purpose is to propel a projectile. Just like the ranch rifle. Don't be sorry, many others have the same misunderstanding.
     
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    However the AR cannot hunt human beings, only the person possessing a weapon can do that, and that is why blaming a tool for a societal problem is really screwed up, just like the GCA's who do such.
     
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    True. A murderer can use any weapon. I cant even get my AR to clean itself.
     
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    Neither could the united states military.
     
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    Does the constitution grant congress any legislative power to restrict what arms the people of the several states may keep and bear?
     
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    It does not.
     
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    Well here are my thoughts. Agree or disagree as you will.


    I first believe this actually touches on the fallacy of the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment currently favored by those who wish to claim we have no individual RKBA. That interpretation reads the “right of the people” in the Amendment as only protecting a right of the militia member to have firearms while in militia service free from federal interference.


    All the power of Congress is limited to the enumerated powers listed in Article 1 Section 8. One of those powers given to Congress is the control of militia organization and arms: “The Congress shall have power…To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia…” This gives Congress absolute control over who can and cannot be a militia member (beyond the state power to appoint officers). It also gives Congress total control over what, if any, arms the militia member would be allowed to have. This specific power renders the “militia only” interpretation of the 2nd Amendment invalid, because this power destroys any “right of the people to keep and bear arms” if that right is read to be limited to an organization Congress has the power to exclude you from, and if allowed in, where Congress can decide whether you will be allowed to have arms or not (and even which ones, if allowed).


    But more specifically to your question, this total power over militia arms is the only specific authority given to Congress to regulate firearms in the hands of the citizen. When Congress wants to regulate firearms (like any other item), it has to justify the regulation as a valid exercise of some other enumerated power.


    The power typically claimed when Congress regulates firearms is its power to regulate interstate commerce. For example, this power is used to justify the nationwide FFL system of regulating firearm dealers. The Commerce Clause power is very broadly interpreted, and few challenges to its exercise are successful. Ironically enough, one of the very few cases to rule that Congress overreached its commerce clause power was a gun case—involving the 1990 “Gun Free School Zones Act.” In Lopez v. U.S., 514 U.S. 549 (1995) SCOTUS ruled Congress’ commerce clause power did not allow it to create a federal crime for possession of a handgun in a local school zone because that exercise of authority had nothing to do with regulating interstate commerce.


    The point is this…when these statutes are challenged we use a two-part test. The first part is asking whether the act falls within a legitimate exercise of a power granted to Congress—like the power to regulate interstate commerce. If not, then the statute is unconstitutionally null and void because Congress had no power to pass it in the first place (as Lopez decided). Only if it can be fairly said to be an exercise of power granted to Congress do you look to the second part of the test—whether the exercise of that power becomes unconstitutional because it infringes upon an individual liberty.


    On the second part let me say this. Some people see our Bill of Rights as the bubble in which all of our freedom exists—and everything outside that bubble is fair game for the government to control. I believe that our civil liberties which were recognized in the Bill of Rights are not—and never were intended—to be the limits of our freedom. This was the concern voiced when we first decided to recognize certain rights—that other rights not so recognized would fall victim to government power. This is why we have the 9th and 10th Amendments. They tell us that the enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights are the floor—and not the ceiling—of our freedom. I would encourage all of us to never forget this.
     
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