BuzzFeed: Sources say Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about proposed Moscow project

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  1. ronv

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    He may be unable to talk much about it now that we know Muller is investigating it.
     
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    If this turns out to be true trump has no hope - he's done. If it turns out to be false I expect some very public reporter firings - Buzzfeed has flat out said that they have seen the corroborating evidence.
     
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    Not according to the Washington Post. The story is FALSE, what are you not getting here?
     
  4. struth

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    So you are merely speculating? All i know is Mueller was clear. I understand you're unwillingness to accept what Mueller reported
     
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    According to Webster...inaccurate is another way of saying false. Take it up with the English language
     
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    SMH
    Inaccurate is the negation of the adjective accurate.

    Accurate:
    (of information, measurements, statistics, etc.) correct in all details; exact.

    Therefore inaccurate is NOT correct in all details. NOT exact.
    There is certainly room in Meullers statement for the gist of the buzzfeed story to be true. We'll have to wait and see.
     
  7. struth

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    Here ya go...https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inaccurate



    Synonyms

    erroneous, FALSE, INCORRECT, inexact, invalid, off, unsound, UNTRUE, UNTRUTHFUL, WRONG
     
  8. ronv

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    Your falling back on a synonym.
     
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    I am speculating. And Mueller's response was not specific, as you dishonestly try and assert. Buzzfeed asked for a clarification.

    I suspect that if they get one at all, it will be along the lines of my speculation.

    Regardless, Cohen himself will be asked to provide such clarification in due course.

    Which one are you willing to bet on given Trump's track record? That he didn't tell Cohen to lie (or create that mutual understanding), or that he did?

    We already know from the written record, that Trump has already lied repeatedly about this.
     
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    What was unclear about it? It was pretty on point...
     
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    Like "shall not be infringed", it is crystal clear to everyone except those who do not like what it means.
     
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    When has trump lied about telling Cohen to lie? It appears only Buzzfeed lied or whoever told buzzfeed that
     
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    My guess is that Mueller doesn't have proof Trump made the order, but rather has e-mails etc. from Don Jr. and Ivanka lining up the dates. Could Jr. come up with a plan? Maybe. A plan without Trump, questionable.
     
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    So, he did not win as many awards as Claas Relotius or Dan Rather. ;-)
     
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    1. Russia attacks democratic emails of Hillary Clinton,
    2. Trump asked Russia to find the emails on air during debate.
    3. Hired Manafort who had strong ties to Russia
    4. Manafort, Trump Jr meet with Russian Lawyer who promises dirt on Hillary
    5. Trump fires Comey who is looking into Trumps collusion with Russia, an obstruction of justice
    6. While talking with Russian officials he says the pressure is off him now that Comey is gone
    7. Michael Cohen who had contact with Russia and denied it only to say it was true
    8. National Security Adviser Michael Flynn meeting with Russian officials in DC, he lied about then said it was true
    9. Trump has gone to great lengths to conceal detail of meeting with Putin, he even took the notes from the interrupter
    10. Trump after being told by security advisors Russia was behind the hack, he goes on stage with Putin and says he believes Putin

    11. Gave their polling data to Russian oligarchy, this is collusion by any definition
    12. Bribery type of conspiracy to hush money for indiscretions
    13. quid pro quo accepting something of value from a foreign country
    14. Rudy Giuliani now saying "I never said there was no collusion
    15. Cohen hiring IT firm to rig early pool results in favor of Trump

    16. Trump might have told Michael Cohen To Lie to Congress About Trump Tower Moscow
    18 U.S.Code 2 - Principals, for those interested: (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets,
    counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.

    17. Trump repeatedly told supporters on the campaign trail that he had no business in Russia

    18. Giuliani backtracks on comments Trump sought Trump tower Moscow deal throughout 2016 while Trump was denying the whole thing

    19. Ethical issues raised after China grants Ivanka Trump 5 trademarks amid trade talks with United States

    Other Trump achivements:
    - lost 10 cabinet members
    - lost 65 executive staff, the highest rate of staff turnover
    - 18% increase in US trade deficit
    - Since Feb 1st DOW down 3,000 ($3 trillion in value), The worst December stock market since the Great Depression
    - exploded deficit to $779 billion
    - 67 golf club visits, the most days golfing
    - lost 40 house seats
    - Longest government shutdown
    - Largest corporate tax cuts
    - Biggest single-year increase in uninsured Americans
    - First President to never break 50% approval rating
    - according to Fact Checker database, Trump has made 7,645 ‘false or misleading claims’. In the month of October 2018 he said 1,200 things that were false or misleading.

    Anything else?
     
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    You mean Hillary's illegal eMail server in her basement with classified documents on it?
     
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    yes, that very one she was charged a crime with.
     
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    Year ain't over yet.
     
  19. bx4

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    I HAVE accepted what Mueller has stated publicly. You want me to accept the WaPo report, but not the Buzzfeed report. I accept Mueller's statement and I will hold judgment on the rest.

    There is nothing that would prevent Barr from releasing Mueller's report in its entirety. If there are parts that need to be redacted for specific reasons, so be it. But there is no legal impediment to him releasing the Mueller report. There is no requirement that he puts it into his own words. That would be inefficient.

    I will hold judgment on the Barr report. If it looks like it faithfully reports everything that Mueller has reported, fine. If it looks like a cover-up, I'll be concerned.

    I got a lot of comfort from Barr's testimony. He seems like a straight shooter, but his previous comments cause some concern.
     
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    You haven't accepted anything about what Mueller has stated publicly. Any normal and unbiased person that has accepted Mueller's statements would have abandoned this story long ago. Instead, you've tried to rationalize away the Mueller statement by hoping he really didn't mean what he said or that he really does have evidence Trump told Cohen to lie but because buzzfeed got a few of the minor details wrong he went to extraordinary lengths to issue a public statement refuting it. Oh no, Mueller had to issue a public denial because they had the date wrong.....or had the wrong email account named. Yeah, makes sense. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. You also have to believe that WaPo is now in cahoots with Trump to cover it up because they basically refuted everything BuzzFeed said. Good lord.

    Look, if you want to believe this story has a chance of still being true because you hate Trump then go right ahead. There are also people that believe in Big Foot. They, like you, have the prerogative to believe whatever they want. Just don't expect not to be mocked when you continually bring up these far-fetched conspiracies on a public forum and portray them as if they are rooted in some sort of reality.
     
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    TDS at its finest right here. The fake left wing news media's efforts paying off among the low IQ of the electorate. LOL.
     
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    Is there anything in dairyair's list that isn't true? Specifics.
     
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    Why would these cause you "concern"? Are you familiar with the factual basis that supported what he was saying or do you simply oppose anything that you think is a positive for Trump just because you hate him?
     
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    I'll address just the first five since the post is so long-winded:

    1. Russia attacks democratic emails of Hillary Clinton,
    2. Trump asked Russia to find the emails on air during debate.
    3. Hired Manafort who had strong ties to Russia
    4. Manafort, Trump Jr meet with Russian Lawyer who promises dirt on Hillary
    5. Trump fires Comey who is looking into Trumps collusion with Russia, an obstruction of justice
    =======

    1. Has nothing to do with Trump and there is zero evidence he knew anything about that.

    2. It was already out in the media that Russia hacked the DNC emails BEFORE the debate. The reference was to the 30,000 emails that had been wiped off Hillary's server by BleachBit in an effort to conceal from a subpoena. Context matters.

    3. There is exactly zero evidence that Russia had anything to do with Manafort being hired. Manafort had been recommended to Trump. Manafort was forced out of the campaign after old allegations of tax fraud came to light.

    4. The "Russian lawyer promising dirt" was actually scamming Manafort and Trump Jr. She had no dirt....or at least none willing to share. Her real intent was to pitch to them a possible end to the Magnitsky Act. Trump Jr. had never even heard of it at the time. When they realized they had been scammed they terminated the meeting. You also fail to mention the Russian lawyer met with Glen Simpsons of Fusion GPS just before and just after the meeting. Coincidence, huh? Facts matter here.

    5. Trump detailed many reasons for firing Comey and Trump told Lester Holt that he knew firing Comey "may extend the Russia investigation longer" but that Comey's incompetence had gone too far and it was the "right thing for the American people" to get rid of the bum.

    Any questions?
     
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    My guess is that big foot is roaming around in the northwest and its just coincidence that every camera shot of him is grainy and out of focus. Lulz
     

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