By opting out of owning guns, you're giving us a power monopoly.

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  1. Xenamnes

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    How is such the case? Explain such.
     
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    Nor are such speculative matters relevant or even pertinent to the discussion. The point remains that an absence of legally available firearms will not, in any way, reduce the rate of successful suicides committed in the united states. The only thing that will change will be a drastic increase in other methods.
     
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    But the point was, they can't possibly protect anyone if the person who has one isn't around the people who don't. And in the case of someone "protecting" their entire family, they can't be around them 24/7 with a gun loaded and at the ready.

    That's all.
     
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    The differences between fire extinguishers (which I didn't bring up) and guns.
     
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    Somebody said something along the lines that many people say...I have guns to protect my family.

    So I asked about how one protects one's family when, for example, your kids are off at school or playing somewhere?

    Seems the answer is....there's nothing a gun can do for one's family if that's the case....and it is for most people.
     
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    How is the subject of actually using a gun to protect one's self or one's family not relevant?

    You'd think people who advocate guns as a means of protection for everyone including grandmothers would have some experience in doing just that and want to share it.

    My guess is most people who advocate guns are just assuming it's a good idea.
     
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    So carrying a loaded gun is a necessity?

    And yet kids and grandmothers are walking around without them.

    Doesn't seem fair.

    Perhaps gun owners should volunteer their time to protect all those that can't protect themselves.
     
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    None of which changes the fact that no one present in the discussion is speaking of guarantees. It is only yourself who is misinterpreting such.
     
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    Because the discussion at hand does not pertain to details about myself.

    Any claim that could be presented on the part of myself in an attempt to gain some degree of authority on the matter, could simply be dismissed out of hand as being nothing more than anecdotal evidence that does nothing demonstrate static trends. So ultimately there is no point in undertaking such a futile endeavor.

    As opposed to assuming that greater firearm-related restrictions are a good idea, when there is no evidence to actually prove such?
     
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    It is certainly a necessity for some.

    Just as there are many walking around without health and other forms of insurance.

    It is not the role of legal firearm owners to provide services such as protection to those who decide to put themselves at risk of harm through their own actions and inactions.
     
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    Why?
     
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    Well, my livelihood depends on it.
     
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    Which is what?
     
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    For the same reason daily medication and seat belts are necessities for some.
     
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    Who are you speaking of?

    There are normal people walking around who would die without carrying a loaded gun?
     
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    There indeed are such individuals to be found in every walk of life. They did not freely make the decision of their own volition to carry a firearm for their own defense, rather than decision was forced upon them due to circumstances beyond their control.
     
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    I wasn't aware that there were gun licensing laws/regulations in effect similar to vehicle laws. If so please enlighten me.
     
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    Well..............

    who?
     
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    I am Academi, “The Professional”, and Dr. Death Kevorkian all rolled into one. :)
     
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    Really.

    So how many people have you killed? And why?
     
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    No people. People aren’t the only things that need killed or protected at times.
     
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    Numerous states within the united states have firearm-related restrictions pertaining to the licensing, permitting, and registration of firearms. Not merely with the acquisition, but the continued ownership. And unlike the regulations pertaining to motor vehicles, the regulations pertaining to firearms are much more severe. For instance, convicted felons can still own and use motor vehicles, but not firearms. Nor are motor vehicles confiscated from their legal owners if the registration expires. Nor are the paperwork requirements on legal motor vehicle ownership so onerous that it can take a year for the renewal of the registration to be processed.
     
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    Any and all individuals who have learned the hard truth that their government cannot and simply will not protect them on an individual level from harm. Any spouse who has learned that law enforcement officers will not enforce protective orders against an abuser who is willing to murder them, simply because they are not violating the protective order at the moment when they are called. Any individual who cannot be reached by law enforcement officers within thirty seconds of being called.
     
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    So we're back to everyone...but not everyone can have a gun.

    So kids, sorry you have to die.
     
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    If the schools cannot and will not provide protection to the students that are present, perhaps the problem is with the facilities of learning themselves. Banks and shopping malls in the united states have armed guards to prevent the theft of money and merchandise through the use of deadly force, but the same protection found for everyday commercial goods is simply not present for protecting the lives of children. This is despite the public being told that it is wrong to kill a home invader who is simply looking to steal physical goods from the homeowner.
     

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