California Magazine ban struck down by federal court

Crime, drugs and terror can be directly linked to today's Democratic party.

 

A platitude? Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are extra-Constitutional. If the right wing is going to whine about taxes, then we should get back to (Constitutional) fundamentals. Our Second Amendment is express not implied.

 

Every hunted wild pigs ?

The AR platform with a large capacity magazine is probably the best pig rifle.

How about dangerous game like grizzly bears or two legged dangerous bad hombres ?

If you are hunting grizzly bear with a bolt action rifle, you want a Mauser action.

 

Nah, you want a .458 socom or .50 beowulf AR.

 

Then you would have to wear football shoulder pads.

 

Like you don't have to with a bolt action of sufficient size to one shot stop a charging bear...

 

Such is indeed correct. Magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition are indeed needed, and even regularly utilized, for the purpose of hunting nuisance species, engaging in target practice, and in normal self defense actions. Those who attempt to argue otherwise have no understanding upon which they are attempting to speak, and should simply stay out of the matter if they have no intention of learning what is the truth.

 

In my frequent visits to the AK, I used to carry either a 12ga or Marlin .45-70 hiking into fish with an Alaskanized Ruger Red Hawk (originally a .44mag now the .480) in a x-chest holster backup for on stream fishing. These days, I keep an AR in .458 at my friends place along with the Red Hawk. I feel fairly well armed hiking in with the AR, but when fishing it’s usually standing on the bank, leaving me protected by my hand gun.
Despite sometimes fishing in close proximity to a furry freight train and generally being ignored, a few years ago I was bluff charged and my catch confiscated and it happened so fast that I have never really felt well armed. Given the success of pepper spray use stats over guns in bear encounters, the last few visits, I still go armed, but keep bear spray at quick access.

Recoil is stout, but manageable; comparable to 12 ga. With slugs. A mag or two of rounds (20) is not like going into a sustained fight with 8-12 30 rd mags of 5.56. I also use an Archangel colapsable that is padded. Depends on what you are use to, I guess.

 

Where I live or where I hunt or fish there are no grizzlies, just black bears, mountain lions and way to many rattlesnakes.

I have more than a few hunting rifles.
.270 Winchester Pre-64 Winchester mod. 70
30-06 Remington 700
My new favorite .308 Sako Bavarian model.

Also have an old 45/70 Rolling Block.
But it's more of a collectors item and actually to expensive to shoot.

Also have a M-1 Garand.

The M-1 Garand and the Remington 700 aren't the type of rifles you go out plinking with shooting a couple of hundred rounds down range. Both kick like a mule.

I wouldn't even think of shooting at a grizzly with anything smaller than a 30-06.
Would feel more confident with the 45/70.

 

I don’t have an issue with recoil in either a Garand or R700, or my Browning with 300 Win Mag. What prevents me from plinking with those guns is the cost.
Re stopping a grizzly, that ammo used and bullet placement are huge factors. In a charge, getting an accurate shot in a surprise situation is not an easy thing given their speed. Don’t know about you, but I have seen large game take fatal shots and not instantly drop. In that game, a tie is really a loss as the photo below illustrates.

 

Went Elk hunting in Wyoming once.

Remington 700 chambered for the 30-06
About a 350 yard shot.
It was freaking cold that day.
Squeezed off the shot trying for a heart shot.

What the **** ! How could have I missed ?

The guy next to me hands over the binoculars saying that I didn't miss, you got a lung shot.

I took the binoculars and looked at the elk just standing there. Every time the elk inhaled you were able to see steam blowing out of the bullet hole. About thirty seconds later the elk dropped dead.

 

Yep, then think of that elk as a big Bear armed with magnum teeth and claws, 20 paces away focused on you. Then think on walking a path in heavy vegetation, where bear can walk without a sound, and one appears 20 paces away... can you come out of your day dreaming, bring your gun to target, sort the best shot, and get it done in the time a bear can cross that distance?
I’ve known a lot of folks that have bought big enough gun, sometimes large bore handguns like .460, .480, etc. and then never shot them, but a couple times, never got advice on proper loads, never tested their response under pressure with their gun of choice, and yet felt safe walking about in big bear country. My AK friend calls that, brown bear roulette...I have a different name for it... walking bear scat.

 

One thing about grizzlies, unlike black bears grizzlies can't climb trees.

When I'm out in the bush I'm 100% aware to my surroundings.

I've run into many bears, mountain lions and rattlers and was never caught off guard.

With bears I just make sure it's not a mama bear and I didn't allowed myself to get in between Mamam and baby bear.

 

Situational awareness is important anywhere as is understanding potential threats. I’d rather avoid confrontation where possible. In the Lower, I have encountered black bear, but, fortunately not a ma and here cubs; every encounter thus far was respectful avoidance. In the AK, on some streams I fish, 100 yard proximity is not unusual, but the bear are focused on the same thing I am... I leave their claim to them and they seem to do the same with us though when they move closer, I figure it wise not to stake my claim.
I spent a good amount of time in the jungles in MesoAmerica and the upper Amazon and Orinoco with my work in the 70’s and 80’s and we had big cats about that locals had stories about, but I never saw one. Some smaller highly venomous other creatures which I was more concerned about, that no matter what precautions I took, the danger in my head was always present (I did get stung twice by scorpions...bad, but not life threatening). It was the smallest creatures that almost got me... disentary, bad sh**, pun intended.
Through all that, I always found wildlife somewhat predictable, far more so than the two legged variety and always found it odd that few blink an eye if you carry weapons for protection against wildlife, but not for protection the far more dangerous two legged creatures... seemed/seems counter intuitive to me.

 

Strange as I had not myself feel any handicap by having my main self defense and target shooting gun being a 357 six shot S@W model 19 revolver.

Most self defense actions happen at ranges of feet and the overriding concern is having a weapon that will work.

I know that you are claiming to be an expect however for myself having a weapon that could sometimes stove pipe a round while only being annoying at a gun range can be deadly in a life and death situation.

Hell if I remember correctly the last mass school shooting at parkland had the murderer gun jamming thankfully.

 

Was such a choice made individually on the part of yourself? Or was the choice made for yourself and mandated by law, thus leaving absolutely no ability to choose otherwise on the matter?

I know that you are claiming to be an expect however for myself having a weapon that could sometimes stove pipe a round while only being annoying at a gun range can be deadly in a life and death situation.

Hell if I remember correctly the last mass school shooting at parkland had the murderer gun jamming thankfully.[/QUOTE]

Any firearm is capable of suffering from one functional issue or another. Even revolvers are not immune to such, especially if a particular round of ammunition has an inadequate powder charge and the projectile gets stuck in the barrel. As many millions of rounds of ammunition are produced in a given year, there is no way that it cannot occur.

 

insist on mustering with your local militia for practice and ask them for ammunition. We have a Second Amendment.

 

Insist upon yourself first having a first set of drinking glasses in the kitchen cupboard.

 

i don't believe it is that serious; or i may need to clamor to get to know my heavy weapons section. why is the right wing complaining but not insisting on becoming more well regulated and Organized until we have no security problems in our free States.

Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well!

Gun related offenders should have the alternative of doing time in the militia.

 

Those black bears can CLIMB. This one basically runs up a tree.

 

The S&W Mod. 19 is a excellent example of American craftsmanship.

 

Climbing A tree is no defense from a black bear.

In most cases if it's not a mama bear protecting its cub, the bear will charge at you but it's usually a fake charge and will stop a few of feet away from you if you're standing your ground and showing no fear.

Kinda helps having a large bore handgun or rifle in your hand pointed at the bears head incase it decides not to stop.

In my case I'm usually armed with a .45 ACP M-1911 and going through my head if I have to shoot, what if the bullet bounces off the bear's skull ?

 

I agree with you there.

 

The 45 acp is based on the 45 colt that was used for decades in combat, hunting, and even was used to put down horses or bison.

If I was in bear country I might use this stuff (which I can't find in southern California)...

Flat nosed, hard cast lead designed to penetrate. Its got to feed though.

 

I surely don't need someone telling me what I need. Can you guarantee that no citizen will ever need more than ten rounds? Can you tell us how it is harmful for someone who is legally allowed to own a firearm, to have a 15 or 20 round magazine in that firearm

Having been a federal law enforcement firearms instructor, I can tell you that I have never heard of a case where someone lost a gun fight because they had more than enough ammunition