Calling out the 47%-51% paynotax lie.

Care to disown your own post ?

 

The post where I said 61% earn less than $20,000?

Which post was that?

 

"and those people also" is an affirmation of the statement.

You are done now.

 

Yes, but you did both misread and misquote them, enough for such a short post...

1 in 2 Americans do not live on or below the poverty line...not even close...

 

So you decided that was an "affirmation", did you?

I eat bread occasionally. That is not an "affirmation" that the bread I eat is the body of christ.

 

you said "and" and "also", indicating the statement was true and in addition your next assertion was true.

You are done, and looking more foolish by the minute.

 

It indicated the statement was there.

It said nothing about whether the statement was true of false.

But if you wish to continue to believe I did, I can recommend a good book.



There you will find beliefs that have gulled millions across the ages. Especially the Dark Ages.

 

perhaps you should look into the meaning of the word "and".

you lose again sweetie.

 

OmegaEngine: "You know the classic statement, “47% of wage earners don’t pay (any) income tax.” Lately I think it’s been 51%."

And who made this statement? OmegaEngine. No one else that I can find. It's typical of liberals to start a thread with a lie, have others jump in with kudos, and then distract as much as possible.

Find me a source that says 47% of wage earners pay no income tax. A source other than the one who started the thread. I found claims that "47% of American households" paid no income tax and claimes that "47% of Americans paid no income tax" but no one, other than OmegaEngine seems to have claimed than anyone has said 47% of "wage earners" paid no income tax.

I am really tired of liberal lying outrageously, supporting each other, calling those who disagree with their lie stupid, and them merrily go on as if they've accomplished some great liberal feat.

Find a source, OmegaEngine, or admit you're simply one more lying liberal.

 

Rather unfortunately this nonsense continues to persist. I made a thread about it quite some time ago and will repost the OP here:

Federal Taxes in Perspective

 

See, this is exactly the kind of absolute failure to understand that I am talking about, you illustrate you have NO concept of how the system works.

You entered ZERO, (0), on the money withheld, and yet you cannot demonstrate HOW to prevent money from being withheld on a paycheck.

There is no logical reason why there would be “nothing” withheld from a working class paycheck, if you have a SS# and a legal job, they will withhold at least 20% from that kind of an income. If you could avoid letting that be taken out of your pay, then that WOULD be the tax evasion of at least $5,373, and you would be billed for that amount plus interest, and if you don’t pay it you will go to jail for it.

$5,375. what the government keeps after they return the $849., so they actually take $6,222 out over the course of the year no matter what “calculator” you use online.

As for the “deductions” theory, the stupid idea that people can claim enough deductions to reverse & cancel out all their taxes and get more money back than they paid, that ONLY works for the rich on the top 5% or so, and that is no where near the 51% that people are claiming here.

Nobody on the lower 51% can get that kind of deductions, and primarily big corporations like AT&T & Bank of America use that method, they pay ZERO tax and claim refunds.

Your facts are flawed, you read things backwards, and you don’t know how it works, so you’re basically wrong on every level.
Even the IRS argument is wrong because people are interpreting the information wrong.

I pay over 10k in taxes every year, no matter what I get back, so don’t pretend you live in the real world to someone like me. Maybe you identify with people like Mitt Romney, who don’t know how to eat a hamburger or fill a gas tank? Maybe you don’t even file your own taxes?

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/lets-look-class-warfare-and-51-who-do

 

Income tax is taken out of my payroll, if enough is taken out I don't OWE income tax, but I still pay into it and the government still keeps most of it.
That IS Income tax.

Payroll tax generally refers to two different kinds of similar taxes. The first kind is a tax that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages, also known as withholding tax, pay-as-you-earn tax (PAYE), or pay-as-you-go tax (PAYG). The second kind is a tax that is paid from the employer's own funds and that is directly related to employing a worker, which can consist of a fixed charge or be proportionally linked to an employee's pay.

In the United States, payroll taxes are assessed by the federal government, all fifty states, the District of Columbia, and numerous cities. These taxes are imposed on employers and employees and on various compensation bases and are collected and paid to the taxing jurisdiction by the employers. Most jurisdictions imposing payroll taxes require reporting quarterly and annually in most cases, and electronic reporting is generally required for all but small employers.

Federal, state, and local withholding taxes are required in those jurisdictions imposing an income tax. Employers having contact with the jurisdiction must withhold the tax from wages paid to their employees in those jurisdictions. Computation of the amount of tax to withhold is performed by the employer based on representations by the employee regarding his/her tax status on IRS Form W-4. Amounts of income tax so withheld must be paid to the taxing jurisdiction, and are available as refundable tax credits to the employees. Income taxes withheld from payroll are not final taxes, merely prepayments. Employees must still file income tax returns and self assess tax, claiming amounts withheld as payments

Now, do you get the picture?

 

No, it didn't. Google is your friend. The 47% is the percentage of households that pay no income tax. Changing it to "wage earners", a typical liberal stunt, is simply a lie.

 

When you account for the 47% of citizens that pay no income tax and the thirty or so large and profitable Fortune 500 corporations paid no federal income it is no wonder we are broke and bleeding money.

The middle class cannot support the upper class and the lower class much longer. Greece here we come!

 

Yes it's very true

The propaganda is all yours. You claim they "pay" income taxes. That would indicate that the Government took money and the "payee" didn't get it all back. That's paying. However, when they pay in $1200 and get back $1450 due to earned income and child tax credits, that's not paying, it's receiving.

First, no one said they were "evading" taxes, from your own statement "47% of wage earners don’t pay (any) income tax". Which is true when they get it all back and sometimes MORE due to earned income and child tax credits.

You keep asking the same question over and over. No one said they were "evading" taxes, from your own statement "47% of wage earners don’t pay (any) income tax". Which is absolutely true.

I don't blame you for not answering any post when you are so flat out wrong.

 

Says who?
Based on what?
Produce the evidence or drop it.

Awesome, so you actually produced some kind of an augment, never mind the fact it lacks any form of reference and seems to have just been pulled out of thin air.

First of all, given those numbers, that family got $250. back over what they paid, so don’t make it look like they walked out with over a grand, (that is IF any of it is legitimate anyway.)

Second of all, that is barely even a taxable income, so if they have kids and are a family, that’s exactly what it’s for, because in this economy, $250. Wouldn’t even buy their school supplies, so they need it worse than the rest of us.

Finally, those exact same “child tax credits” are pretty much standard for everyone, so if that family had earned $15,000. Instead of the $12,000. Figure you offered, (based on 10% of the lowest income brackets,) they would have actually paid the IRS $50.

This is exactly why I keep saying the 51% is incorrect, there is no way that percentage of the working population, “wage earners”, can avoid paying taxes.

Like I said, do the math, it’s not there.

As I have pointed out in many examples, only a small fraction of the population can actually do that, but most conservatives use that augment every single time they want to feel justified in letting the wealthy rob everyone else.

They flat out imply that wage earners do not pay any taxes at all, which is exactly what they want people to believe.

Just because you choose to ignore them when they spout it off and act like working class people are robbing everyone, does not mean I have to.

On top of that, it IS false information the way people read it.

Every conservative nut job makes that claim, it’s the only augment they have in the face of the trillions upon trillions of dollars the wealthy HAVE been evading.

And no, it’s Absolutely false!

Hey, you’re the one who has aligned your self with people who believe global warming is a liberal hoax, that evolution was invented to get rid of religion, and that Obama was not born in Hawaii, and frankly this particular topic is pretty much cut of the same cloth.

I don’t really blame you for not being able to come up with a competent argument on the topic, but I don’t feel like wasting my time on every other topic this pops up on.

”However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. The welfare queens don’t. The super-rich don’t. It is a powerful emotional argument. It is also flat wrong.” So says Howard Glickman of the Tax Policy Center

 

Why? Your evidence is from a anonymous kook blog website. Produce something from a reliable news source and I will, or it's not worth my time debating.

The earned income tax credit and child tax credits are pulled out of thin air? Really?

I am a single underemployed IT guy making about $20,000 a year. Last year I got back %50 more than I paid in and that was without the earned income tax credit and child tax credits.

WTF are you talking about?

Really? Your going to need to prove that.

I don’t really blame you for not being able to come up with a competent argument on the topic, but I don’t feel like wasting my time on every other topic this pops up on.[/QUOTE]

”However, this class warfare-like rhetoric plays to a perception that the income tax is a chump tax: Only hard-working folks like us pay it. [/QUOTE]

You get it all back at tax time.

 

Can't you read? There is no 47% of the citizens who pay no income tax. It's 47% of the households. Millions of U.S. citizens pay no income tax but many foreign nationals working in the U.S. do. It has nothing to do with citizenship. Perpetuating the liberal lie that started this thread doesn't help.

No one that I can find has ever said that 47% of the wage earners pay no income tax with the lone exception of the originator of this thread and his liberal sycophants.

 

Do I get the picture?.....yes I do....and the picture shows that you are hopelessly confused.

For some odd reason, you are getting yourself hung up on the witholding of federal income taxes. The witholding portion of what is taken out of ones check is a temporary estimate of income taxes owed, which at the end of the year is squared up to what is ACTUALLY owed, according to what specific deductions an individual ends up having for the previous year. If the amount witheld is insufficient to cover what is owed, the individual owes more money. If the amount witheld exceeds what is owed, the individual is due a refund equal to the amount of excess. In total, what is witheld has absolutely nothing to do with what is ultimately owed at the end of the year. Your incessant insistence about the relevance of witholdings displays that you are absolutely confused as to the relationship of what is witheld versus what is ultimately owed.This isnt that complex.

 

Wow, excuse me, I didnt mean to destroy this thread by misstated something, calm down.

And I thought it was a conservative lie? Even though it is the truth (47 percent of HOUSEHOLDS pay no income tax. Even though this is kind of semantics but whatever...

 

Woah buddy, I'll tell you what. Why don't you play around with that tax calculator and see what different values of tax withheld gets you.

You clearly have no idea what that term means.

I'll give you a hint, if my refund was going to be 623 with 0 taxes withheld. With 5k withheld it will be 5623. Meaning that number has no bearing on how much taxes you will pay at the end of the year. If you have a negative rate of taxation, you'll get every penny back.

Oh and not everyone earns their income through a paycheck and has taxes withheld nor does that number have anything to do with how much you actually pay.

Anyway, thanks for so smugly being misinformed. I like correcting fools =p. Maybe when you do your own taxes someday this stuff will make sense to you.

Also, I award you two points for having no clue what you are talking about yet being utterly sure you could correct us benighted conservatives.

 

Actualy it's quite simple.....It has nothing to do with them "evading" taxes.....

THe idea that republicans are using is that it's unfair to expect rich people to pay their taxes without expecting people who don't make enough money to be able to pay taxes and still have enough money to survive to pay them as well.

 

and what is the tax due on your 1040 ?

funny, the H&R block tax calculator shows a family of 5 making $50,000, and withholding 11,000, with no other deductions, gets back $12,380 refund.