Can an angel - human hybrid be saved and go to heaven?

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  1. DennisTate

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    Oh well.....if a family pet dies it might be a good way to make your child or grand child feel better????!!!

    My daughter loved the one by Jan Price who met her deceased Springer, Maggie during her NDE.

    http://www.near-death.com/animals.html
    Near-Death Experiences with Pets and Animals
    Animals Go To Heaven Too
     
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    Yup. Sometimes I think that if there are heavens, I'd rather go to the pet one where I can pet and play with several deceased pets I once owned. As far as patience, love, loyalty, and forgiveness you can't beat a good pet. Any Deity that didn't give a good chunk of the afterlife to animals would not be one I would like to be around.

    http://grammar.about.com/od/classicessays/a/The-Lowest-Animal-By-Mark-Twain.htm
     
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    Maybe that is one of the hidden levels of meaning in the parable of the camel going through the eye of the needle????!!!

    Perhaps the way that fallen angels get "saved" is to become a mere human......which gives God an opportunity to give them a truly new beginning!!!

    A near death experiencer wrote these following words that really grabbed me and seemed to my thinking to fit with a fulfillment of Yom Kippur in our time period!!!???

    Guy VanHorn-McLain:
    Guy VanHorn-McLain:
    Guy VanHorn-McLain:
     
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    Well said Zo0tie!!!!

    It seems that perhaps we humans may be made in the image of God....but the animals are made in the image of angels....and thus also probably have a soul!

    The Nova documentary on a Border Collie that could remember the names of 1000 dolls was astonishing!!!
     
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    An angel is not a human hybrid. An angel is existing outside of the dimension "time" - he did everything what he will do now. That's very diffcult for us to understand. Nevertheless we have lots of stories about angels - some seem to be fantasy only ... but: ¿isn't fantasy itselve not only a land existing outside of time? - ¿is even mathematics (we cannot do physics without mathematics) only a region in the land of fantasy? ¿Are we not flying on our own wings in this country - and are we not astonished on our own about the stability of this wings?... or: ¿Is your mother your angel, she is, ¿isn't she?? ¿Is her baby her angel, ¿are you?? ... Angels are messengers ... more than messengers ... and angels are watch-guards ...

    I would say: if you are able to save an angel - do it. This could be a right step into your heaven ...


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY
     
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    Anobsitar, do you think it is accurate that I suspect that there are various levels of angels. The highest power ones who might exist primarily in eighth or ninth dimensional space-time would be invisible to fallen angels or ghosts who are floating around in fifth, sixth or seventh dimensional space- time??????!!


    http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a05
     
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    For me it's not important in what kind of spacetime someone is existing. But I don't think something in our universe exists in more than three dimensions. We could see this. If a 4 dimensional hypersphere would cross our 3 dimensional universe then we would see a three dimensional sphere coming out of nothing, growing and going back into a nowhere again. Same with higher dimensions. I never saw something coming and going in such a way. I also never saw something coming a second from left going a second right. This doesn't mean such things are not existing, but I never saw it. If something would make a circle in a 2 dimensional time then we could see it coming out of a point - we would see later 2 things what seem to be the same but with different positions - one old becoming younger, the other young becoming older - and after some time this two entities would melt with each other and would disapear. I also never saw something coming and going in this way.

    But indeed it's not important. What are your possibilities if you meet an angel? You can love him or hate him. What are your possibilities if you meet a devil? The same. You can love him or hate him. And what should you do? Love an angel, hate a devil? Really? Who needs more love? An angel or a devil? It's maybe the only chance for a devil. So there's only one way: Be always yourselve. If an angel tells you something or a devil tells you something makes not really a difference - you have always to know what to do and not to do. If you don't know - ask someone else who is reliable in your eyes. If you are not sure whom to trust - ask someone who is not envolved - ask a stranger if you don't have any idea whomelse to ask. You will find out what's the best of all possible ways for you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDwB92f7Lvk
     
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    You know, I was gonna say something along the lines of "do you have any idea of what happens, medically, during a near-death experience?"
    ...But then I saw this:


    ...Yeah, I'll pass. You still jump on any (*)(*)(*)(*)ty source like a child who found a new toy, without even the slightest bit of critical thought or vetting.
     
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    Stagnant......if you believe that something similar happens during a NDE as during a DMT trip........you could be right......but there is a real possibility that Extreme Gravity as well as fasting....or drugs like DMT or ketamine may all be able to induce an out of the body state of consciousness......and if so........then are YOU sure you know what is going on during an NDE?


    http://www.near-death.com/triggers.html
     
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    There's extensive research on the subject in actual medical journals examining the phenomenon. Try pubmed, you might find some interesting stuff on brain anoxia during near-death experiences. Don't try... well, this:


    I repeat myself: yeah, I'll pass. You still jump on any (*)(*)(*)(*)ty source like a child who found a new toy, without even the slightest bit of critical thought or vetting. If you took a moment to check out Dr. Grof, you might stumble across an idea he pioneered known as Holotropic Breathwork. To quote QuackWatch:
    Do you ever check a source before linking it? -.-
     
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    Looking a little further onto that site:

    ...Wow, they're (*)(*)(*)(*)ing serious about this. That's... kinda sad.
     
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    On the other hand......my world view is somewhat different than your......I take very serious the idea of Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua being driven to the wilderness to fast for forty days......during which time he seems to be in an out of the body state where he meets with the guy who apparently convinced our grandparents to download the "knowledge of good and evil" program..........that in my opinion had some pretty serious negative consequences.

    Could Lucifer have his own UFO??!!

    I believe that there are ZERO miracles in the universe..........what my friends term miracles.....if valid......are in my opinion simply the application of technology that we don't yet fully understand because it fits with String Theory that is so off the scale bizarre that many people who actually understand its implications.....reject it due to the strangeness of the theory!!
     
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    I just finished a fascinating book that gives a totally different possible angle on the events covered in "The Book of Enoch" that are also referred to in Genesis.



    http://www.amazon.ca/Thrice-Born-Pray-Angels-Book-ebook/dp/B00Q8M18QE

    The Thrice Born (Pray for the Angels Book 1)
     
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    Wow... this article is reminding me of The Book of Enoch.......


    http://thetruthwins.com/archives/dn...re-in-and-the-results-are-absolutely-shocking
     
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    Can the offspring of a Hobbit and an Orc go to heaven?

    You are asking a question of the same validity.
     
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    Question makes no sense. Angels have no free will.
     
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    But if they didn't have at least some........ free will...… how could one third of them ever rebel??????????

    - - - Updated - - -

    Well................... after what M. W. told me back in 2013.............. I tend to think that if there is hope for me........ there is hope for anybody??????!!!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=345791&page=6&p=1064547757#post1064547757

     
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    A concept that is profoundly offensive to the Rabbinic Jewish community is the idea that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus is made
    to sound like an alien - human hybrid.

    According to Judaism...... the Moshiach cannot be a human - angel hybrid... but must have both a human father and mother.....
    both of whom should be descended from King Solomon.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...longer-believe-virgin-birth-jesus-yeshua.html

    I no longer believe in the Virgin Birth of Jesus/ Yeshua!
    I did until December 2012 when I read The Thomas Book Near Death and a Quest for Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus.......

    This book has the potential to transform the relationship between Jews, Christians and Muslims!
     
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    "Angels have no free will."

    That is a terribly dogmatic statement.....
    it is certainly possible that angels may have less free will than we humans have.....
    but the idea that they could have no free will.......
    that sounds pretty extreme.

    Near death experiencer Howard Storm was shown that by the year 2185 G-d wished to
    reduce human freedom of choice..... and give The Holy Spirit more control over events on earth.....
    so more vs less free will... is certainly possible.... for both humans and angels and I suppose... human - angel hybrids.
     
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    You will find the poll intriguing.....

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/to-what-degree-could-aliens-prevent-nuclear-war.500648/

    To what degree could aliens prevent nuclear war?
     
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    Does a unicorn-dragon hybrid get to cast wizard spells?
     
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    Some pretty amazing information on the human angelic hybrids are in this video.



    The Mystery Of The Power Words @ The River Of Waupun Session Nineteen.
     

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