Can I convince PF's resident no-planers that AAL77 hit the Pentagon - #3

yep all those fake witnesses should be cross examined in court then toss their asses in jail.

 

Of course, you can show your proof. Wouldn't want to have to call you wacky.

 

Well, given the Obama team is not making such accusations, one wonders why you deny video reports. There is no mistake, they saw this as it took place.

 

No, again you have it wrong. This is why I keep telling you to try to stick to the facts, ALL of them, not just the selective ones you've been fed. Many people died on 9/11 and afterward and are still dying today. You think I don't get that? You think I don't get that hundreds of thousands were massacred in the aftermath under pretext of 9/11? And that this carnage continues, looking quite endless? This is why I want, no I demand a legitimate investigation into 9/11, one I will likely never get it seems. I'm not into cutting corners like the OBVIOUS one I've been explaining to you. The one you actually get but pretend you don't get by always diverting the discussion to making 9/11 about me.

I completely understand why you don't want to discuss it. You'd rather discuss me, that's all you've been doing all along anyway.

 

OMG

Now comes a poster that does not believe in DNA.

Amazing. Simply stunning.

I had posted the report by a very reputable source.

A few of you posted long videos.

Now I hope you enjoy this documentary as well.

[video=youtube;KGJSZN4apvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs[/video]

 

Thanks, I knew you knew all along and agreed. So why all the pretense then? You could have just said "I agree". Actually if you read my posts a bit more carefully, that's not my entire "beef". I want to know who blocked that from the NTSB investigation and why. And/or, why did the FBI take over before the NTSB completed its investigation (if it was to be completed)?

You see, unlike you, I ask questions about the OCT, I have thousands of them to ask.

Correct on both, assuming they were all planes. So why are you leaving out that parts were recovered? It is the subject of this particular discussion. (it's rhetorical)

As an aside (no need to answer), I understand none of the above is your concern but it is mine, along with thousands of other problems with the OCT. The question is, why are you fighting so hard against something that's my concern and not yours?

The rest is worthless nonsense, so I'll take a pass on the garbage. Well congratulations, at least 50% of your post (to be generous) was about the subject I'm talking about. The rest, not so much.

 

Want in one hand and wish in the other, as the saying sort of goes.

I am not your target yet you try to make me your target. This is the treatment I get from you if I dare say you said something.

I even suggested a glide path to take you to victory. But you keep acting as if on this forum, some of us must be keeping you in the dark.

Sorry but as I say over and over, try FOIA.

 

That's what happens when there's no legitimate 9/11 investigation, at least for me. I guess you're ok with whatever then.

No, definitely not. I don't care about you at all, I'm just using your posts to expose the OBVIOUS fraud in all its gory detail. This is just one more piece of evidence, there's so much more. That's what I do with all posters who defend the OCT and the storytellers, expose the reality about the 9/11 coverup. In the end, despite that you tried everything to change the subject and make it about me on multiple occasions, you eventually had to agree with me because you had no choice, what I posted is fact, you know that and you had no way of showing otherwise.

My apologies for using you for my personal agenda. I'd much rather have a discussion with someone who really cares about 9/11 and fully comprehends the scam but posters like you come in handy on occasion.

I'll skip the rest of your post if you don't mind, it's not interesting to me.

 

I'll skip the rest of your post if you don't mind, it's not interesting to me

 

Hey Robert...

I asked you to address this back in post #118.

Pilot Who Flew The Airplanes That Crashed on 9/11 Speaks Out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXA-enq65ng

 

So to summarize. There are huge discrepancies/anomalies with the official story regarding all 4 planes, some issues have been deemed impossible as claimed by expert pilots, some of whom have actually flown those exact planes. Assuming there actually were 4 planes, we know that a forensic examination of the recovered airplane parts, including the FDR, was never conducted as required by NTSB standards. And because of all the discrepancies/anomalies/impossibilities with the official story and the fact that the serial numbers on the recovered parts were never matched to the logs containing an itemization of all the parts by their serial numbers for AA11-Boeing 767-200ER, AA77-Boeing 757-200, UA93-Boeing 757-200 and/or UA175-Boeing 767-200ER, we can't know if the planes were swapped and/or if the parts were planted/swapped and that the allegedly recovered FDR data was manufactured or not or that the recovered FDR itself actually belonged to any of the claimed planes. And this is why that particular part of the investigation, which was skipped (or prevented) would have been critical in ascertaining if the official story had merit. The fact that it was not conducted is a clear coverup that should raise red flags everywhere.

This thread's title is "Can I convince PF's resident no-planers that AAL77 hit the Pentagon". So the answer is that it's impossible to convince anyone that AA77 either hit the Pentagon or even flew on 9/11 or even existed on 9/11 without the forensically identified physical evidence. Those who are convinced are only accepting the government's word on faith.

 

Your concerns are only important to someone working outside of reality. Conspiracy theorist are prone to ignoring the evidence and creating scenarios that can never be satisfied that bolster thier paranoid views.

For everyone else, the facts are readily apparent, the conspiracy unworkable to the point of hilarity.

 

Taking the only portion of the post that matters:

Yes they are. The facts are as stated, there was no standard forensic investigation/examination of the recovered parts as required by NTSB airplane crash investigation specifications. That's fraudulent, without that any claim can be made about the alleged planes and the "recovered" parts. And the fact is that those who are convinced by the unsupported US government claims can only accept the government's word on faith and some do just like you. And the fact is that some try to defend the US government claims by inventing nonsense that has nothing to do with and is irrelevant to the facts about the inadequacies/illegitimacy of the 9/11 "investigations". You're absolutely right, the facts are readily apparent.

Perhaps you'd actually like to discuss the facts or would you rather rail about "conspiracy theorists"? In any case, if you believe the OCT, it would define you as a conspiracy theorist. So do you believe what you claim about yourself? That's all irrelevant to the discussion so no need for any answer. It's not about you (or me), it's about (see above). But thanks for your participation anyway.

 

Nah, they provide an investigation to determine the cause of an 'accident, whether it is mechanical or pilot error to determine if a design is flawed or new training is required. The cause is well known and the necessary changes have been made, I.e. Locking pilot doors and Air Marshals.

 

Thanks for your opinion but I will go with the manual as to what procedures they use and what they're supposed to accomplish if you don't mind (or even if you do). Maybe you should read it so you actually know the facts about airplane crash investigations.

I find 3.12 and 3.13 quite helpful and informative with respect to the 9/11 airplane crash investigations.

https://app.ntsb.gov/doclib/manuals/MajorInvestigationsManual.pdf

Here I find portions of Appendices H & most of J quite helpful and informative with respect to the 9/11 airplane crash investigations.

https://app.ntsb.gov/doclib/manuals/MajorInvestigationsManualApp.pdf

 

It's the truther way. They cannot attack their much hated government, so they turn on those who question their 'whacked out' stories. 9/11 truth has never pretended to conduct itself in an honest and adult fashion.

 

Did you spend time watching the video I presented to the forum by people outside of government who actually were there. Some testified on the video that they lost loved ones. One person showed the ticket for the flight he was given by the investigation. And there were personal effects catalogued and photographed for the surviving members to obtain.

My gosh, you harp on one thing. But when you harp on parts of an airplane, then ignore the people factor, it gets very difficult to suffer such posts created by somebody using your computer.

[video=youtube;KGJSZN4apvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs[/video]

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Did you watch this? This for me ends this topic.

[video=youtube;KGJSZN4apvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs[/video]

 

OKay, since I too am a pilot, be specific. The man says he flew those airplanes. Fine with me. I don't particularly doubt him.


Also please watch the documentary I posted on flight 77

A lot is there you probably don't know about.

[video=youtube;KGJSZN4apvs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs[/video]
What should I speak to you about?

 

For a time, I tried using ONLY non-government sources in this so-called 'debate', however, it didn't alter their suspicion, or mistrust of all sources 'non-truther'.

This is known as 'following them down the rabbit hole' and this techniques distracts from the empirical evidence. It is best not to follow them, but present the empirical evidence instead, otherwise, you will chased their bunnies for the rest of your life.

I will later if you don't mind, as it looks very good. I never swallowed the missile at the Pentagon story, as it was always an irrational and poorly thought out tale.

 

Yeah, I watched many videos, watching the videos doesn't change the facts. If you have the video that contradicts the fact that none of the 4 alleged airplane crashes were legitimately investigated (i.e. no procedure was skipped), I would certainly want to watch it. Posting videos that have nothing to do with what I'm discussing are irrelevant to what I'm discussing.

Hypocrite much? I haven't ignored anything, stop making things up. It's actually YOU who's trying real hard to ignore the facts, that there was no legitimate investigation of any kind, not even one forensic airplane crash investigation. Skipping anything, especially in this case, a detailed forensic airplane parts investigation (they call that section of the investigation procedure "Materials Laboratory Examinations" for a reason), renders an investigation illegitimate and in most cases when it comes to 9/11, fraudulent. It reminds me of the very strong stink about their DELIBERATE failure to conduct a forensic chemical analysis on the EVIDENCE they recovered (which was really quickly shipped away) at Ground Zero. Nothing you posted so far changes those facts.

Awww, I'm so sorry for your suffering but that also doesn't change the facts. And here I thought you were done with this discussion because it isn't what you want to discuss. But yet you keep trying to discuss it, by constantly changing the subject by posting the irrelevant.

 

Have you whinged to your congressman?

 

I spaced out my watching so I was not distracted. As to them going down the rabbit hole, while true, at times I ignore them only to get caught up again.

Maybe if I just ignore them?

I try politely to help them understand. Some really do not want to understand. It is hard to help those who want no help. Why they engage in a topic where they want no help stuns me at times.

I think,,, ok, you are upset over aircraft serial numbers of parts. Why not try a new tack by looking at the passengers? Those boarded the aircraft, have eyewitness that swear they saw the American Airlines hit the pentagon or saw it over then saw the fire start, etc and etc.

Why on earth would witnesses get told they lied?

They don't work for the Feds that they claim.

Proof is not one thing. It is many things. To harp on SN then ignore passengers simply is amazing.

 

He prefers making up things about me or you to seeking his help from his congress.

I showed him a video he says he will not watch, in so many dismissive words, such as he watched his own preferred videos, but he wants posters to join him in this harping over parts numbers.

Me, no thanks.

The aircraft included much more than parts. It included passengers, those surviving them, what they were told,,, what was proven to the survivors and more. But all he is interested in are parts and the manual the NTSB uses.

Well, were it me, I would get in touch with the NTSB and see how much misery I could cause them.

Notice the so called truthers never tell us what they did on their own trying to solve their misery. Did they seek any help from anybody but posters who post? Some of us here are pilots. We are not accident experts but they also do not realize as pilots we get reams of data from FAA all the time. We are deluged with accident information.

 

This wasn't a crash investigation. You haven't figured that out yet. You don't find everything in a manual.