Can I get even one left winger to view the climate of the planet?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I urge all who read this post to check the presentation on global climate. I ask any alleged expert to explain to the Democrats / their supporters, how this planet can have such vast climate changes yet all of them get blamed on humans?

    Do they realize by blaming humans they have ruled out natural climate? Do they not see how huge the Earth is and how climate is extremely variable all over Earth?

    Let them argue with the science.

    Here is some of it.
    https://earth.nullschool.net/#curre...hographic=261.46,26.82,565/loc=-78.391,25.251

    Use your pointer on Earth and click to move Earth. Spend time looking at the wild shifts in wind streams. Then ponder what happens if you also include ocean currents.

    This is a different view.

    https://earth.nullschool.net/#curre...ographic=169.07,-44.01,565/loc=-54.354,36.391
     
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    Ignorant post.

    There are no left wing or right wing or scientists on either side that argues that all climate variances are the result of human activity. Thread is a bust.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are speaking of that river in Egypt again. De Nial.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would Democrats need to be "educated" about the error in an argument no one but you is making?
     
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    Beer w/Straw Well-Known Member

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    if you don't consider CNN fake news they had a bit to say on their site:

    And no, changes in our planet's atmosphere did not cause Hurricanes Harvey or Irma. But the consensus among scientists is that the effects of climate change, such as rising sea levels and warmer oceans, made those storms far more destructive than they would have been in previous decades...

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/climate-change-hurricanes-harvey-and-irma/index.html
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And you are speaking out your butt. Nobody is arguing that ALL climate variances are man made - except maybe a few right wing morons in blogs.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fine with me if you deny your sides claim of 97 percent. I figured you believed in that nonsense.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I had no way to know you deny the 97 percent figure. I am sure you are up to date on that crazy theory.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    WTF are you talking about? You obviously have no grasp of the discussion if you think even 1% of scientists or environmentalists think ALL climate variances are the result of human activity. The discussion has been on the exacerbation of that change (is it happening much faster than in the past).
    Gods - put away those asinine right wing blogs and chain emails - they are f**king up your mind.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This seems a very very premature claim for scientists to make given the complexity of this.

    i wanted you all to study the complex planet we all inhabit. To spot the vast directions of winds. To see that even in the North hemisphere, some winds travel north and west and curl back south.

    To blame this on man is just batpoop crazy.

    Now we find a few Democrats/supporters claiming the 97 percent theory is crazy talk.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What then does global climate mean to you? Stop being rude. I reported one poster today with regret. Don't make me do it again. Be kind. I am not your enemy. I don't enjoy getting the enemy treatment.
     
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    Listen. I am tired of the over-the-top rhetoric and absolutely moronic assertions of chain emails and political blogs. And for you to try to pass off that information to others shows a complete disrespect to your fellow American Citizens. That's why I treat you with disdain.
    If you want to make an argument that there is SOME disagreement on the amount of influence humans have on the environment, THAT is a perfectly acceptable argument - but this BS about people arguing that ALL climate variance is caused by human activity - NOBODY s making that claim... except YOU.
     
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    erm Forget 'Democrats' and think of meteorologists following the scientific method.
     
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    Again, you are the only one making the claim so why should I defend it.

    Perhaps you should demonstrate the validity of your claim first?
     
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    go here; http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/human-caused

    "To understand why 'this current' global warming is human caused and not natural cycle"

    go here: climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

    "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities."

    go here: skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

    "The proof that man-made CO2 is causing global warming is like the chain of evidence in a court case. CO2 keeps the Earth warmer than it would be without it. Humans are adding CO2 to the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels. And there is empirical evidence that the rising temperatures are being caused by the increased CO2."

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    Since global warming is accepted as the driver for climate change (think Orwell and 1984) then it appears that *MANY* scientists are claiming that AGW *is* the accepted theory.

    You can claim otherwise if you want, it just makes *YOU* the denier!
     
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    Recent theories are that global warming DECREASES intensity and frequency of Atlantic hurricanes by causing vertical wind shear that prevents their origination and prevents their intensity from growing. It explains why we've had such a paucity of hurricanes over the past 12 years!
     
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    How many Climate Scientists said it is all from humans?
     
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    I'll concede if you can show me a valid counter study to this that came after Spring 2016.

    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002/pdf

    Until then, I'm going to use the 90-100% figure.

    P.S. It's also over 90% of studies. Making the above even more likely.
     
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  19. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Curry corner report

    https://judithcurry.com/2017/09/16/week-in-review-science-and-policy-edition-7/#more-23406

    Week in review – science and policy edition
    Posted on September 16, 2017 | 16 Comments
    by Judith Curry

    A few things that caught my eye this past week.


    New J.Clim paper: hi res model finds fewer but stronger, wetter, and larger tropical cyclones with global warming [link]

    PNAS: the biosphere has become less constrained by water stress globally [link]

    Glacier shrinkage driving global changes in downstream systems [link]

    Himalayan Glaciers Have Been Melting For 400 Years, Scientists Discover [link]

    How fast is Earth warming? Ocean heat content and sea level rise measurements may provide a more reliable answer than atmospheric measurements. [link]

    Mann and Oreskes: assessing climate change impacts on extreme weather events [link]

    Model v. observation differences in western US show need to bolster mountain area datasets. [link]

    “When the polynyas occur- roughly every 75 years…release valve for the ocean’s heat, said the researchers.” [link]

    Arthur Petersen on notions of reliability, Relevant Dominant Uncertainty [link]

    SST response to anthropogenic and external forcing + impact on AMO and PDO [link]

    North American wintertime temperature anomalies: role of El Niño & differential teleconnections [link]

    Interested in probability of #flooding during #ElNino? @NatureCommspaper highlights new work on this: [link]

    Little Ice Age was global: Implications for current global warming [link]

    New article: Highly variable Pliocene sea surface conditions in the Norwegian Sea [link]

    Indicators of climate change adaptation from molecules to ecosystems [link]

    New review of climate sensitivity estimates from Knutti, Rugenstein and Hegerl [link]

    Denmark faces first ‘summer-less’ July in 38 years [link] Happened during the Little Ice Age also.

    Monitoring ocean change in the 21st century [link]
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know of no other field of study that is as complex as global climate. This is one reason I posted an authentic site showing you global patterns. And you control your view as you click on the globe and move it where you want it. This is like tossing a bunch of confetti out of a jet airplane at 40,000 feet and trying to predict the location of the particles.

    But to hear the alarmists version, they have made climate so ultra simple they blame man for climate.

    Notice once you view the globe, you can see there is no predictability possible. Were there predictability, the models would agree, and they do not.
     
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    Are you serious? the 97% figure is the percentage of scientific papers that acknowledge global warming and that human activity is making a contribution to the rate of change.

    Its not that 97% of scientists think climate change is caused by human activity.

    No wonder the deniers can't seem to figger it out.
     
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    A "Week in review" blog? Well, let's give it a bit more time to catch on.
     
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    You hit the nail on the head! If this were true science we would have one model that works, at least partially.

    Out of at least a dozen hurricane prediction models there appear to be only two that actually work, at least near to the US. And even they can only predict halfway accurately only a few days ahead - men looking at weather charts can do as well!
     
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    Abandon your confirmation bias and go looking for critiques of this so-called study. You will find lots of scientists saying that their papers were mis-classified.

    Again, abandon your tendency to look only at articles that feed your confirmation bias.

    go here: www.newsbusters.org/blogs/sean-long/2014/11/20/only-50-scientists-blame-mankind-climate-change-new-study

    "While 90 percent of scientists and climatologists surveyed thought the climate was changing, only about 50.4 percent contended that humans were the primary cause of these changes.

    More shocking was that just 53 percent of climatologists surveyed thought “Climate change is occurring, and it is caused mostly by human activities.” While that number of climatologists was small, the result is still significant."
     
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    You dont' know who Judith Curry *is*, do you?

    Did you bother to actually go to any of the links Curry provides?

    such as: http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-17-0068.1

    ametsoc is the American Meteorological Society. The article referenced was published in the AMS journal!

    Your post is a perfect example of the argumentative fallacy known as Poisoning the Well. It is where someone attacks the messenger in the faint hope they can discredit the message.

    Your credibility is not very great when all you are to offer is argumentative fallacies!
     

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