Can I get even one left winger to view the climate of the planet?

BFD.

Plus, I don't believe that you have them all in some storage facility with CFC monitoring - so you don't know.

Plus, the offending gas was present in more places than refrigerators.

 

Of COURSE it's not a cure. The industry fought back hard to make sure there was no cure. And, it worked! Congress came out with a pretty darn lame law. And, now you guys want to not even have THAT!

What did you expect? Did you think the criminals wanted the crime to end?

If you find you are a member of a profession that is criminal, you should stop that or you're really just part of the crime.

If doctors start killing people for money somehow, then all doctors are going to face more regulation, too.

If you run a sausage factory and sweep up meat particles and put them in the sausage, you may get a whole new cabinet position of federal oversight!

It's the way our civilization works.

 

Doctors have been doing this ever since Roe v Wade. Last I looked they had killed about 50M people via abortion!

 

First, from the place I live at in N. Ca, to the antarctic is a huge distance. I reject taking the blame for the ozone hole. Perhaps you thought I live in Australia or New Zealand.

 

Well, I don't expect all will understand the why of the crash, but it is not my fault. Do you think I used torture methods to locate clients and beat them silly to take money that I supplied?

I have handled many many loans. I do not expect you to know the truth about why Dodd Frank was window dressing to try to make the public think they had no role at all.

I have told to this forum hundreds of times that Democrats are why this country is so tightly controlled by politicians. And what have we got in return?

 

now that is simply brilliant. Using your own direct empirical experience to evaluate planetary processes.

Why doesn't everyone do that? The world would be such a wonderully dumber place, don't you think?

 

Well, it wasn't you personally!!

But, there isn't any question that CFCs emitted in the USA affected the ozone hole in the southern hemisphere.

There just aren't enough Aussies and Kiwis to have done it all by themselves. We Yanks made a serious difference.

 

This may shock you, but I rather like the USA.

BTW, regulation is only one way we push for behavior that allows us to be as great as we are. For example, there is criminal law and tort.

You really should have been more inclusive in you "big stack of paper" model of what it takes for us to live together as a nation!

 

Would you be a global winds aloft expert?

 

Good, I am chatting with a person whom perhaps sees cops as bad people yet sees the political class in DC as all our saviors.

 

I have easy access to experts in that field.

 

LOL!!!

Both need improvement. Police need to be paid WAY more, be better trained (especially in defusing situations rather than the "I'm going to shoot you if you move" thing), be better equipped (perhaps in not riding solo so much, being more present, as our local force is strapped for officers due to funding), and have leadership toward a different standard in the quality of the relationship with those in the community they police. Policing fails in the absence of trust in the community.

In DC, everybody likes their own representation. It's hard to believe, but even total incompetent shmucks like McConnell and King got themselves elected! The key is to end gerrymandering (so candidates have to play to both sides, more equal representation) and we need to get more people to vote.


btw, not to be even slightly critical, but I'm interested in grammar (not that you can tell from my posts). So:
"Whom".

I think "whom" goes with "him" while "who" goes with "he". Thus, substituting for the "whom" it would seem the clause would be better as "(he) perhaps sees cops...". So, I think "who" is the right choice.

Do you (or anyone on the board) agree with that?

 

Let me give you some cop wages I know about, here in the SF Bay Area. Annual pay quoted probably does not include overtime. I believe annual pay amounts to about $107,000 provided the cop has been on the job for 20 some odd years. We have a resident poster who knows cop pay for his area. I got this from the pay proofs turned in for my son in law. Randy today is retired due to an on the job injury. He prefers being at work but his neck injury from a auto crash on duty causes him great pain. He could make into the $130,000 range were he still working. He gets around $81,000 and does not work today at the police department. Randy trained a lot. He was the gang specialist at his department. They sent him around to various places for more training. He also worked for 3 years as a detective. This job due to his injury. When he got hurt, once he came back to work, to help him, he got rotated to various jobs. He was kept out of the patrol car so spent 3 years taking care of internal scheduling and other paper duties. I have had cops as clients. I believe the cops i knew were great at defusing situations. But what could cops here in my area do yesterday to defuse this situation.

Perp leaves the Fairfield, CA area and the cops try to stop him to arrest him. He had a warrant due to a murder. He driving at high speed, finally runs over the strip to stop fleeing cars. It caused him to swerve into a concrete barrier. Cops following him stop and stay well back of the now disabled car. Suspect shows his hands out of the driver window to prove he has no guns, gets out and starts blasting at the cops. They shoot a kill him.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...te-80-Emeryville-Powell-Street-448260113.html

 

OK.

I'm more interested in starting wages - we need to attract great resumes and those people have options. Every corporation knows you attract great resumes by a combination of compensation and job definition. The fact that policing is a public sector job does not change that.

The salary dollars are going to vary depending on where you are. SF is one of the most expensive places to live, so it's going to take more.

It appears to me that there could be a better connection between the police and the community if the police are living there.

 

Randy's father was an engineer and we used to discuss highway engineering. He could afford to live here in the Bay Area yet retired to much lower cost areas. Randy, my son in law, lived not where he was a cop, but across the SF Bay to a low cost area. He has the only home he ever bought. My daughter informs me they still struggle. But having their oldest son in a university studying engineering no doubt adds up to costs. Randy never complained over his pay. Fact is, off duty, he was not one to sit around having cop chats with family. He enjoys a good cigar once or twice per year and likes wine so long as it is a good wine. Loves eating out. Loves his two sons. And attends church with my daughter, his wife.

What drives up Democrats incomes is they love living in the city. Mom and dad voted for Democrats and loved the deep country so not all democrats want city life.

When I drove piling, I was then in local 34 pile drivers union in the SF Bay Area. I don't mind telling you that you can use google should you want to learn what pile butts earn. Randy made more per year than pile butts make unless they put in a lot of overtime as well.

 

I think you have it backwards.

SF is hugely attractive for a number of reasons - great climate, universities, beautiful views, major center for the arts, good sports teams, etc., etc. You can not find that combination just anywhere.

That causes increased demand, thus cost of living goes up. For example, those who rent apartments, build homes, etc., etc. can ask a LOT and there will be people who will pay.

When people move there, they become more interested in the issues of cities. City issues are just more oriented to "it takes a village" than are the plains of the midwest - or the central valleys of CA.

Look at any red-blue political map of counties and you will see that those who live in our larger cities are more likely to be interested in the issues championed by Dems. Notice that Dallas, etc., are blue even though the surrounding area is not. And, it costs more to live in Dallas than it costs to live in Abilene - because, not all that many people really want to live in Abilene. And, the issues are different. If you carry your rifle in Abilene it means something different than if you do so in Los Angeles, where people who pack heat aren't stalking jack rabbits. In Abilene, churches may stand a chance of taking care of the needy - dramatically NOT like SF or LA or NYC, or ...