Can I just ask the most basic question of our Moon Hoaxer friends?

Why?




Why did the Government/NASA/whoever feel the need to fake the Moon Landings? For what purpose exactly?

 

The anomalies in the footage and pictures prove that they faked it so the issue you raised isn't about whether they faked it. It's about why they faked it. This site puts forth some plausible reasons.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
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Several motives have been suggested for the U.S. government to fake the moon landings - some of the recurrent elements are:

Distraction - The U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction to take attention away from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities did abruptly stop, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the US ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War.
Cold War Prestige - The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race with the USSR. Going to the Moon, if it was possible, would have been risky and expensive. It would have been much easier to fake the landing, thereby ensuring success.
Money - NASA raised approximately 30 billion dollars pretending to go to the moon. This could have been used to pay off a large number of people, providing significant motivation for complicity. In variations of this theory, the space industry is characterized as a political economy, much like the military industrial complex, creating fertile ground for its own survival.
Risk - The available technology at the time was such that there was a good chance that the landing might fail if genuinely attempted.

The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).

Proponents of the Apollo hoax suggest that the Soviet Union, and latterly Russia, and the United States were allied in the exploration of space, during the Cold war and after. The United States and the former Soviet Union today routinely engage in cooperative space ventures, as do many other nations that are popularly believed to be enemies. However, this suggestion is challenged by the impression of intense international competition that was under way during the Cold War and is not supported by the accounts of participants on either side of the Iron Curtain. Many argue that the fact that the Soviet Union and other Communist bloc countries, eager to discredit the United States, have not produced any contrary evidence to be the single most significant argument against such a hoax. Soviet involvement might also implausibly multiply the scale of the conspiracy, to include hundreds of thousands of conspirators of uncertain loyalty
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Let's look at those one-by-one-

Distraction - The U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction to take attention away from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities did abruptly stop, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the US ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War.

By the time of even Apollo-8, public protests and draft card burnings were rampant. On the news weekly. How was there a "distraction" from months, even years of anti-Vietnam War protests....by a week's worth of coverage of a moon flight?

Cold War Prestige - The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race with the USSR. Going to the Moon, if it was possible, would have been risky and expensive. It would have been much easier to fake the landing, thereby ensuring success.

If they knew the Russians couldn't do it...in fact, knew that NOBODY could do it (again, you claim the landings were faked due to the technical impossibilities of such flights).....why not let the Russians try and fail and then mock them for trying to do something supposedly impossible?

Money - NASA raised approximately 30 billion dollars pretending to go to the moon. This could have been used to pay off a large number of people, providing significant motivation for complicity. In variations of this theory, the space industry is characterized as a political economy, much like the military industrial complex, creating fertile ground for its own survival.

How much did we spend on the Vietnam War in a similar time?

Risk - The available technology at the time was such that there was a good chance that the landing might fail if genuinely attempted.

Then again, why claim it could be done? Simply state it was technically impossible. As noted above, there are EASIER ways to spend $30 Billion dollars and why risk a FAKE that could be "easily proven" later by folks such as yourself?

Imagine...ONE Apollo astronaut or even one ground technician "spills the beans" in July 1969...and NASA would be put out of business. Why take THAT risk?

Why not say "Can't be done....we can scientifically PROVE that it can't be done....Let the Russians try or fake it and we can prove that their landing is faked. Let's stick to orbital missions until the technology makes it feasible." You're everybody's hero and there is ZERO risk of exposure.

 

First of all, the press wouldn't report it. Do a YouTube search on "Chomsky media".

Science journals are owned too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
(00:16 time mark)

Here's some evidence that it might even be downright dangerous to try to come forward with the truth.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYBJFPuiwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipKyUVuQ2Uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU

 

Your opinion is not evidence. You are citing a man who says 911 was not an inside job. His views are either consistent or not, you don't get to select which of them are believable! The press would have a field day reporting this if it were provably true. It is the kind of story that sells lots of newspapers and consequently one that they would love.

That isn't evidence, that is more speculative crap. Jarrah White/David Percy/Bart Sibrel/ + any number of others, YOU, all very much alive and kicking. Your argument is pathetic.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/whistleblowers-governments-and-lies.html

 

There are several theories on why Chomsky and some other anti-establishment pundits say things they obviously don't even believe themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhrZ57XxYJU

This guy thinks that Chomsky is in denial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQPG3QxXy98

Some people think he's a sleeper agent. I think the most likely scenario is that he's being threatened. I think it's plausible that some thugs from the government paid him a visit and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. They probably told him that his grandchildren were going to start to have "Accidents" or something like that if he joined the 9/11 truth movement.

I have trouble believing that Chomsky is a government agent as his works have really hurt the government. This book of his is incredible.
http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Priorities-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1902593693?tag=5336432715-20

I feel that he's hurt the government much more than he's helping it now.
http://www.chomsky.info/

Chomsky's views on the media are in line with those of other anti establishment pundits.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
(8 parts)

Here's a guy that got blown away.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en...tnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

His writings were hurting the government and they probably wanted to get rid of him before he got too famous.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chichile.htm

Famous people are taking a risk when they tell what they've learned about the US government because they have the power to inform millions of people.

 

What amazes me about you is the way you think you can decide what people do and don't believe, then proceed to make up some bullcrap reasons for something that isn't even true. Chomsky knows 911 was not an inside job, because he is not a deluded idiot. He may have a lot of bitterness towards the US government, but he's not wrong about 911.

Says you! There are thousands of celebrities who come out and believe any old conspiracy crap. None of them are in danger of anything other than ridicule.

 

The proof that 9/11 was an inside job is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144746

Chomsky's no moron so he knows it was an inside job.

Have you seen this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU

 

spam,spam,spam,spam,spam,spam

 

Michael Collins....or Pete Conrad....or Fred Haise....or Harrison Schmidt call the NY Times, CBS, ABC, etc. in 1973 and say "I have a MAJOR news announcment about the Apollo Program"....

and NOBODY in those organizations would cover it.....not one?



BTW, before you with no linkages invoke the name of Noam Chomsky.....

has Dr. Chomsky stated he beleives the Apollo flights were faked? Yes or No?

 

That's right. Not one of those you mentioned would broadcast what was said. If an insider wanted to go public, he'd have to make a YouTube video and also distribute it privately to as many people as possible. It would never appear on TV.

I don't remember having seen Chomsky comment on Apollo. I think he'd be afraid to say it was a hoax for the same reasons he's afraid to say 9/11 was an inside job.

I googled "Apollo Chomsky" and nothing came up. Tell us what you know.

 

Great distraction - networks were cutting Moon walks to show football games

 

Suppose they had gone to a CBS affiliate in Philadelphia....or Phoenix.....or Seattle.....that affiliate would have not filmed it? A famous astronaut wanting to make a public statement and EVERY TV station in America would have "hushed it up"???

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The live broadcast from Apollo 13 was pre-empted by a baseball game. The "distraction" theory falls apart pretty quickly....as do the rest upon examination.

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If Noam Chomsky doesn't buy your conspiracy theories....then stop trying to use his good name to bolster them.

 

You're misrepresenting my postion on Chomsky. Go back and read post #6 again.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=321844&p=1063085668#post1063085668

 

Does Noam Chomsky believe the Moon Landings were fake? yes or no? If no...quit using his name to bolster your own "authority".

Still didn't address my other two points-

1. EVERY TV station in America (every affiliate) would have "hushed up" an Apollo astronaut coming to them to tell them "it was all faked"? So now how many 100s of 1000s do you have involved in the conspiracy???

2. How were the Moon Landings for "distraction"...if by Apollo 13, nobody cared and the networks were shoing baseball games instead of live coverage from space?

 

You're playing games now. That's what sophists do. Here's my answer to that question from post #11.

Most people who get their information from the internet know that the American media are owned. Here's some stuff on that for anyone who's not up on it yet.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0
(8 parts)

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Propaganda_System_One.html
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/official_culture.htm
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media_control_propaganda/Media_Control.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Propaganda/Propaganda_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Media/media_watch.html

Science journals are controlled too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAE7FGdNmA
(00:16 time mark)

We can speculate forever on why they faked it. The proof that they faked it is crushing and our not being sure about why they faked it doesn't make that proof go away. You're trying to draw attention away from the proof.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487

 

He hasn't been got at, you have no evidence for it. He knows neither event was as idiot conspiracy nuts claim.

You incessant, irritating troll. There is not one solitary item that is not easily disproven. So much of your mountain of spam is just pure ignorance and stupidity, it is easy to see why you believe it.

As always, you have no answer to my blog debunking your wall of spam, run away troll:-
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

 

The dimbulbs trying to sell this theory don't grasp how a vacuum effects things like light scatter of the rate at which powders will fall back to earth.

The substances that the lunar rove and the astronauts' feet loft from the ground all settles at the same rate. To do this in any kind of atmosphere would require sand of an extremely heavy material, all grains being of exactly the same size, shape and weight. This is kind of hard to find on earth.

 

I urge all viewers to actually look at the proof before passing judgement and not be swayed by rhetoric.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487

This guy knows that the hoax proof is so clear that, once people have seen it, there's really nothing they can do to make people think they went to the moon.

You brought it up.
https://www.google.es/search?q=Ausc...-8#q=Former+Religious+Jew+On+Holocaust+Myths+
https://www.google.es/search?q=Ausc...0.69i57j69i62.3920j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.es/search?q=Ausc...=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=ONE+THIRD+of+the+HOLOCAUST
https://www.google.es/search?q=Ausc...UCHENWALD+A+Dumb+Dumb+Portrayal+Of+Evil+1/32+
http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch?v=4X1owF0vgnw&bpctr=1376830507
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9G4zmpKv0

Anyone who watches these revisionist videos will see that you're distorting their position. They say it was a work camp but not a death camp as the official version says.

 

Standing on the grave of Barry Jennings, who's interview was distorted by the fiction writers of Loose Change, is disgusting.

 

As always, you have no answer to my blog debunking your wall of spam, run away troll:-
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

 

There is no evidence they were faked

 

The proof that the Apollo footage was taken in a studio is so clear that, once people have seen it, there's really nothing you can do to make them think the missions were real. You're trying to sway those viewers who haven't looked at it with rhetoric.

Here's some of the proof that's been discussed on other threads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
At the 2:35 time mark of this video the flag moves without being touched. Air from the passing astronaut made it move.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

The movement of the flag in the vacuum chamber at the 00:50 time mark of this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

...is quite different from the movement of the Apollo flag at the 1:50 time mark. The rod shows what he's doing to the pole with his wrist. The rod is not moving in a way that would make the flag stop moving. Air is making it stop moving faster than the flag in the vacuum chamber.


Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.

Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.

The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4


All of the above anomalies are simply too clear to obfuscate. Go ahead and obfuscate away; your success rate will be close to zero.


One more thing. All of these pro-Apollo posters have already destroyed their credibility by maintaining that the Chinese spacewalk was real. Here's a link to that info.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=190138&page=45&p=1062831714#post1062831714

(as of now this link works)

 

And as of now,you're still wrong.

We went to the moon,no amount of your asinine nitpicking will change that