Can I just ask the most basic question of our Moon Hoaxer friends?

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  1. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    so, how much would any "memorabilia" on the moon, be worth in modern times?
     
  2. Scott

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    Translation:

    That question has me cornered so I'd better tap dance around it and try to muddy the waters and change the subject.


    Whether the government tells the American people gigantic lies is a bonafide Apollo-related issue and I pointed out a gigantic lie. I want to know if you agree with the US government version, or Smedley Butler's version.

    Don't forget that the viewers are watching and judging.
     
  3. leftysergeant

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    Horse feathers. You just assume everything the government says is a lie without bothering with piddling little details like evidence.

    Weak.
     
  4. Scott

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    You seem to be cornered by this issue. Look what this Marine general said.
    http://www.fas.org/man/smedley.htm
    (excerpt)
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    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
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    Do you believe his version, or the official US government version of why the US intervened in those countries.

    Here's some more info.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JCJ4pIFEw
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /ThirdWorldFascism_ChomHer.html

    Objective truth-seekers simply answer questions put to them and they are capable of modifying their opinions if they get some new information. They don't tap dance around questions.
     
  5. LoneStrSt8

    LoneStrSt8 New Member Past Donor

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    Non sequitur scott/cosmored/fatfreddy 88/david c

    Move on already
     
  6. Durandal

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    :lol: Incorrect. The government telling lies in an official capacity has nothing to do with its ability to fake moon landing missions. It would not have been able to fake that because of the science, the engineering and the logistics, not to mention the sheer number of people, involved.
     
  7. Scott

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    That statement does not make the mountain of hoax proof go away.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

    You're missing the point. The argument that the government wouldn't tell such a big lie to the people has no merit because there are a lot of clear cases of the government's telling big lies to the people. I'm still waiting for leftysergeant to answer my question.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=321844&page=8&p=1063185578#post1063185578

    If you go back and look at the last few posts, you'll see that leftysergeant was the one committing non sequiturs.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
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    It can also refer to a response that is totally unrelated to the original statement or question:
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  8. Betamax101

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    This thread has dozens of responses to your pathetic mountain of spam:-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

    As always you ignore virtually every single question.

    You have had your backside kicked, don't insult every single person viewing this thread with your ignorant and inaccurate claims.

    Just one of many examples!
     
  9. Durandal

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    I think that argument exists only in your head. The issue is one of could, not would the government tell lies. Of course they tell lies. Everyone over 5 years old knows that.

    NASA is not in the business of faking space missions, however. Accusing them of that is childish and stupid.

    Plus, speaking of "mountains of evidence," the moon landings have that. You hoax believers simply ignore it all and focus on debunked nonsense like the "fluttering flag" and all that.
     
  10. danielpalos

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    I still think the private sector can make money from tourism.
     
  11. Scott

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    Your attempts to obfuscate these clear anomalies were pretty lame.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
    (2:35 time mark)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
    (00:52 time mark)

    The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
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    You people are pretty good sophists but there's a point at which things are so clear that sophistry becomes ineffective. The above anomalies are way beyond that point. Go ahead and obfuscate away; your success rate will be close to zero no matter what you do or say.

    You people also keep forgetting that you destroyed your credibility when you tried to obfuscate the clear proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.
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    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
    http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

    In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

    Watch it at these time marks.
    0:50
    2:10
    3:00
    3:10
    6:08
    6:44
    6:53

    It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

    Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

    At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

    The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

    The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
    (1:55 time mark)
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    This is also to clear to obfuscate. You people keep trying to bury this proof to reduce the number of people who see it which is about all you can do. I have to keep reposting it to thwart you.
     
  12. LoneStrSt8

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    You just keep reposting the same old,tired crap scott/cosmored/fatfreddt 88/david c,not proving a thing,other than your ability to jump to conclusions.
     
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    Do you indeed. Your whole internet existence seems to be a sad predilection for conspiracy spam.

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/
     
  14. Durandal

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    I'm sure cosmored thrives on the attention he gets here :D
     
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    People have been saying this same crap over and over for a couple decades and still have not convinced most rational people of a bit of it.

    This is largely because all of your arguments are childish bull (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  16. Scott

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    You brought up an issue so I addressed it. This is one of those issues that's too clear to obfuscate so now you're tap dancing around it instead of addressing it. I guess I'll have to keep posting it so that you can't misrepresent it to mislead the viewers.

    If you keep tap dancing, I can keep posting.
     
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    Evidence emerged not long after Butler helped suppress the Sandistas that the war was all about protecting our banana planters' interests in stolen land.

    There is ZERO evidence that the moon landings were faked.

    One has squat to do with the other.
     
  21. Scott

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    So, do you admit that the US government tells the American people gigantic lies?


    Wrong. There's a mountain of evidence. Here's a link to some of it.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487
    spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487


    The argument that the government would never tell such a big lie has been put forth. Citing examples of other big lies as a response to that argument is well within the bounds of the Apollo debate.
     
  22. LoneStrSt8

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    Sorry,but the actions by United fruit aren't 'the government telling lies', and despite your spurstalk spam,there is STILL zero evidence the moon landings were faked

    And I don't think the government is always truthful,but to think they are lying about this,is ludicrous
     
  23. Scott

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    You're being pretty simplistic. The US goverment tell the people that we defend freedom and democracy when we intervene in other countries. The real reason is that we intervene to make sure American companies can rob those contries of their resources. Here's some more info on that.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JCJ4pIFEw
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /ThirdWorldFascism_ChomHer.html
    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

    This means that the government is telling a big lie to the American people.
     
  24. LoneStrSt8

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    No,it doesn't...there is no indication by those acttions that the government is lying about going to the moon.

    Period.
     
  25. Scott

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    You're being so simplistic that your posts are hardly worth answering.

    Those actions aren't proof that the government is lying about the moon landings. The anomalies in the Apollo footage are the proof that the government is lying about the moon landings.

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487
    spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144487


    The point is that the argument that the government would never tell a big lie has no merit as the fact that the government lies about the reasons for its interventions is proof that the government tells big lies.
     

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