Can I not believe in God and NOT be an atheist?

Can I eat no meat and NOT be a vegetarian? Sorry I know it's already been done but I couldn't help myself.

 

Anyone who would die for the sins of others is rather foolish.

There is no original sin.

There is no personal god.

I don't need a book to tell me right and wrong. Man is basically good, though some aren't, and that's life.

Those who do wrong take longer to reach enlightenment, that is their punishment, slowed spiritual growth.

In scientific reasoning, a hypothesis is an assumption made before any research has been completed for the sake of testing. A theory on the other hand is a principle set to explain phenomena already supported by data.

There is nothing logical about 'God', i.e., 'intelligent designer'.

But, there is logic in the idea there is a spiritual basis to life, but that's me, I do not speak for anyone else.

 

God is all powerful, could do anything he wants, and he choose to pretend to die and be stuck in that dead body for 3 days?

 

The title Son of God is a reference to the Sonship in the Trinity. The Old Testament talks about how the Messiah will be God incarnate and virgin born, who dies for the sins of the world. The Messiah was prophecized as being God incarnate and born of a virgin. The word "Almah" in Old Testament prophecies, in the Hebrew, is a reference to a virgin. https://answering-islam.org/Hahn/son.html

 

God being all powerful and can do anything He wants is why the virgin birth concept makes sense. Jesus was born of a virgin because of original sin, because he was God incarnate, or both. https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/faking-death/

 

No matter how good we might be, we arent perfect. Only Jesus was perfect. Thats why Jesus died for our sins, because we cant save ourselves. At our best we are sinners. You cant be perfect.

https://www.gotquestions.org/born-good.html

You said that you dont need a book to teach you right and wrong. The Bible teaches us how to live. https://www.gotquestions.org/right-from-wrong.html

 

Sounds like I'm talking to an Apatheist!

 

Buddhism is a non-theistic religion. (Didn't read the 6 previous pages)

 

Were adam and eve perfect?

 

Adam and Eve were created sinless but they chose to sin.

 

Which you yourself agreed no good judge would do, because it means the person who did the wrong isn't being punished.

He killed himself, to satisfy himself that justice was done to a creation he made himself and knew what said creation would do when he was making it. He sacrificed himself to himself to convince himself. And you call this sensible? I call it pointless showmanship. I suppose he was bored.

And why do we deserve an infinite punishment? That itself is unjust. Completely unjust. Your God is the opposite of just.

LMAO! Well ok then. He can be completely unjust and you will still call him just, because he's special.

 

Not interested in judeo/christianity etc. it has not bearing on my life.

 

No one is perfect.

If you need the Bible, fine. I have no problem with that.

I don't need it, but thanks, anyway.

 

Jesus dying on the cross satisfied the demands of God's holiness, but it reconciled that with His love for His creation.

Just because God created us and loves His creation doesnt mean that He isn't just. God is love, but He also is just. God created us knowing we would sin for the same reason people have kids even though people arent perfect and peoples kids do things that they arent supposed to do. https://carm.org/questions/skeptics-ask/if-god-knew-people-would-sin-why-did-he-make-them

The amount of time that the crime takes doesnt change the legal punishment. https://carm.org/god-eternal-punishment-for-temporary-sins

God is just because judges punish people who commit crimes by accident, like strict liability crimes.

 

I dont agree with that term. Judaism today isnt just influenced by the laws that God gave to the Israelites through Moses, it also comes from the traditions of later rabbis. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Judaism/judeo-christian.htm

 

No one is perfect is why there is Christ and Christmas. Christ died for our sins. Christ died because we are sinners who could never be perfect. The God of the Bible is the only God with love for His sinful creation that he would die for their sins. Jesus fits the definition of the Old Testament prophecies of the Jewish Messiah.

 

By your own definition above he isn't just. You said any good judge wouldn't tolerate the guilty not being punished. Yet, torturing Jesus instead of punishing you for your wrongdoing, is exactly that. It is tolerating and forgiving the guilty without punishing you.

You have also spoken of the need for infinite punishment, for a finite wrong, which is unjust on the face of it.

You rationalize this away by flowerly language that means nothing.

Unclear

Clearly not

I hope you don't torture one of your kids for something another one of your kids did wrong? In fact, I hope you don't torture any of your kids, and definitely not infinitely.

It isn't fair to punish anyone, not even Hitler or Genghis Khan, infinitely. That is the most cruel thing imaginable. Your God is a monster if he requires this for something as bland as merely not obeying him blindly, or not believing he exists. And it says a lot about your character if you endorse and call such a God "good".

Human judges don't punish anyone infinitely.

 

God is just because Jesus paid the price of sin. https://carm.org/why-did-jesus-have-die-our-sins

People go to hell because they rejected Christ, not because they sinned.

 

These are traditions based on beliefs by men of antiquity. They speak of an ancient mindset though many are still clinging to it, because ancient traditions have been perpetuated through the kaleidoscope of time. During the time of Jesus, his world was a very small section of the world at that time, and no where near as pervasive as it is today. The story, via the needs of humans to have something to believe in, has gotten amplified far beyond it's original significance, in terms of what was going on in the world that time.

I choose not to defer my spirituality to the beliefs of men of antiquity, but to base my own spirituality by my own experience in modernity.

 

Whatever you want to called it. It has no bearing on my life.

 

Just because the Bible was written by ancient middle eastern people has nothing to do with it being God's word. The Bible says that Jesus was sent in the fullness of time. What difference does it make when He was sent?

 

Your assertion has an assumed premise, that he is 'divine' and we are not.

We are all divine creatures, equal.

You are just as divine as Christ, He was an enlightened being, but his secret teaching has been lost, only that which was compatible with the church agenda was preserved, which are the words ascribed to him in the Bible. However, there are words attributed to him that I doubt he said, or some things are lost in translation.

For example, it is written that Jesus said "The meek shall inherit the earth'.

I sincerely doubt that 'meek' is the correct translation. Surely anyone with a modicum of intelligence would know that meek people get squat in this world, they are being crushed, mowed down, and trampled upon throughout the annals of history. "Meek" connotes 'weak' and there is no virtue in weakness. But, there is in humility and strength.

IN my view, the correct translation would be something on the order of the word 'humble'.

See, one can be strong and be humble. Now, that would make sense. Therefore, I am reluctant to trust the bible Because when it was canonized, all the books floating around at the time were very popular, yet most of them were excluded, and the ones that were included in the canon which became the Bible were those that were compatible with the church agenda, which was dominion over their flock, it's a political document in many ways.

My view is that if an enlightened being exists no longer in the flesh, it's time to find another master who is among the living.

I have found that in Sadhguru.

See, you and I are cut from a different cloth. You view Jesus from the doctrine of Christianity (not to mention that Jesus was NOT a 'Christian' and I'm convinced he'd not approve of the general political body now called 'Christianity, Catholicism", etc.. The Christian religion is all about guilt and control, and mimicry, ceremonial rights, and so forth.) I view Jesus from the more eastern philosophical view that he was an enlightened being in a long line of enlightened beings, such as Lao Tzu, Siddartha, Chung Tzu, Ramana Maharshi, Krishnamurti, etc.

 

Not sure that that is an apples to apples comparison. Nice try, though.