Can opponents of gay marriage give a single way that it interferes in their lives?

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  1. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Is that just a long-winded way of saying "you're right, based on my own logic, there are no such things as gay rights" ?
     
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    Then there is no such thing as heterosexual rights either, including the right to marry. You should have to prove that you are worthy of marriage, that your marriage will somehow benefit society, that you are mentally and socially stable enough to give reasonable assurance that your marriage won't end in divorce and a broken home for some kids who you victimized with your reckless behavior. If gays have to prove that they should be allowed to marry based on all of the bizarre criteria they the anti gay/marriage crowd dredge up, so should you. Marriage either is or is not a right...both for straights and gays. Your choice. :clapping:
     
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    Although this case is about Obamacare, it could have far reaching 1st Amendment implications.

    Supreme Court to take up Obamacare contraception case

    This could provide 1st Amendment protections to businesses that don't want to be forced to participate in ceremonies that go against the owner's beliefs.
     
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    If corporations are people...are people corporations if they wish to be?

    The taxation implications could be extremely interesting.....
     
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    Are employers paying for people's health coverage completely though? I'm still on my dad's insurance through his employer and from what I understand, his employer is just the middle man. He still has to pay a deductible and still has to pay a minimum fee to his employer to have insurance and to have my brother and I as additional parties covered. They take money out of his paycheck every month that goes towards the insurance plans and when we use the plan, the insurance company, NOT the employer, covers some % of the bill and then we pay out some for the deductible. Our out of pocket cost goes down after our entire deductible has been paid for the year ($2000) and it resets every new year. We don't have to pay for some things like regular checkups, or twice a year teeth cleanings.

    As far as I can see though the employer is not really paying for any of it. We still pay plenty out of pocket for healthcare services. So I don't see why we shouldn't be able to acquire birth control services as well through the insurance company if they cover it and we pay our agreed upon share. My dad's actually as Republican and conservative as they come, but even he told me, 'hey you can get the pill through my insurance'.

    I don't know a lot about how these healthcare systems work, even my dad was confused for the longest time about how our insurance worked and what was covered and what wasn't, etc. (They really like to give you the run around on the phone...) Maybe our experience has been a unique one compared to how other businesses conduct insurance plans, but it doesn't seem all that different from others.

    My fiance got coverage through his last job in retail and they took out a huge chunk of money each month from his paycheck. He didn't even use the insurance because they didn't cover any of the things he needed to get checked out. He got very angry, and rightfully so, considering all that he may as well have just kept the $1500 they sucked out of his paycheck and used it for the healthcare he needed. Also when he tried to get off the plan they literally would not allow him to get off of it because he signed a year long contract and he couldn't break it. Totally insane.

    I don't know if the Affordable Care Act is going to fix any of this nonsense or not, but something with these freaking insurance companies needs to change. =/
     
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    What was the first federal law that gave a married person some advantage a single person did not have?
    The best way to reason out these issues is to see what the advantage-at the federal level-amounts to for the married versus the unmarried.
    My guess is that the first advantages were associated with soldiers (who were not permitted to be homosexual until when), then the income tax (possibly the first one the Supreme Court shut down as unconstitutional) or the permanent one in 1913.
    I have an old record album with a 1915 comedy routine in which the man states that the income tax applies to people making over $3,000 per year, but a man married to a blonde wife must pay something to keep her blonde so he doesn't have to pay unless he makes over $4,000 per year.
    Of course we know there are still two very elderly ladies who married very elderly Civil War veterans when they were very young just so they could live off the widows pensions. I have a feeling they're lesbians.
     
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    Is there a point to this...? That there are financial benefits to marriage and therefor.......what? What about SSM?
     
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    This thread should be about federal law, not state law, not church law, not what makespeople mad or makes them sick, so I'm asking, considering only US history, at what historical point did a married person start getting some benefit from the federal government that a single person can not get? any historical argument for gays has to start there.
    If you're only argument is that you're happier being married to someone you enjoy having sex with (since you're permitted to marry someone you don't enjoy having sex with already) then you just want federal law to change because it's nice.
    It would be nice to have laws that gave me a free turkey for Thansgiving, forbade the gas company from shutting off my heat when I'm behind on my bill, forced Santander to let me keep my car when I don't make payments or stopped my coworkers from yelling at me. Certainly the list of nice laws could go on forever, and I'm pretty sure you guys will keep demanding more special privileges forever.
     
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    Same-sex marriage is no more just about sex than opposite-sex marriage. This thread should not simply be about federal law, considering marriage licenses are defined at the state level. The issue with federal law is an equal protection one. Can a law give benefits to a man and a woman couple, but not a couple of two men or two women without violating the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment? I say no.
     
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    That's why the easiest solution is for the Supreme Court to declare that-for federal purposes-no marriages are recognized.
    When they make that ruling, Congress will have to revise laws involving all federal agencies detailing which relationships attained underwhich circumstances will qualify for benefits.
    For example: adult siblings living together for a full tax year might be allowed to file taxes as married couples do now, since their relationship (cohabiting on purpose in one domicile) is just like many married couples.
     
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    Yada yada yada..When did marriage become just about sex, when did "equal" become "special" and who are "You guys" What is it that you think you know about me?
     
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    The federal government has the power to recognize marriage and give them benefits if it so chooses--so long as it gives them to both gay and straight couples. The Supreme Court could not do what you say because there is nothing unconstitutional with granting gay and straight couples federal benefits. It could say either marriage licenses are given to everyone (with regards to the states) or nobody, but the states would still get to decide which option to select.

    The courts have no power to declare there should be no recognition of any marriage. They only have the power to demand that recognition or lack thereof must apply equally to all couples, gay or straight.
     
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    Homosexuals have made marriage about sex, not the government. Has any homosexual man been refused a marriage license to marry a woman because the clerk knew he was homosexual?
    If not, there has never been an act of marriage discrimination against a homosexual.
    I'm almost impotent now and my wife was never fully satisfied. She should be allowed to marry a second husband with more vitality, then a third if he becomes impotent and so on. Any man whose wife has passed menopause should be allowed to add a younger wife.
    If your argument is only that your sex life will be unsatisfactory unless your partner is (not only) of your same gender but your same inclination (since I don't think many gay men want to marry a straight man) then that liberty must be extended to all persons on the basis of expected sexual satisfaction.
    Those of us who also want to marry for other reasons, (better living conditions, money, tax breaks, better seats at restaurants) must also not be denied.
    How will you feel in 20 years if most same-sex marriages consist of two straight persons (like Donald Trump and Ted Turner) simply combining fortunes and political power?
    Same-sex marriage might have ended the 100 Years War after just 84 years if Henry V had married the French king instead of his daughter.
    Of course most women would have ended up as prostitutes, but the few real straight love stories of the middle ages would be classics.
     
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    Neither the gays nor the government has made it about sex,.....it's people like you that have made it about sex which you seem to be obsessed with in spite of , or perhaps because of the fact that you can't get it up anymore
     
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    A few decades ago you could have said that no black person was ever not allowed to board a bus, they just had to ride in the back, therefor no act of discrimination against a black person ever occurred.

    Thanks to you and a few others here, what started out as an intellectual and philosophical discussion about the very serious discussion about equality and the very real impact on peoples lives, has now degenerated into a serious of inane rants and moronic clap trap like this post. Welcome to the dark recesses of my ignore list
     
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    giving more people a tax break means that i have to pick up more slack.
     
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    That'swhy by eliminating all definitionsfor marriage, rightscan be extended to any pair of people regardless ofwhether the bond was marriage. non-married straight intimacy, non-married gay intimacy. lifelong non-intimate friendships, or siblings with no wish to remarry.
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    That'swhy by eliminating all definitionsfor marriage, rightscan be extended to any pair of people regardless ofwhether the bond was marriage. non-married straight intimacy, non-married gay intimacy. lifelong non-intimate friendships, or siblings with no wish to remarry.
    My mother has been divorced and in every sense single for over 50 years now. My uncle has been a widower for over 15 years andhas no plansto remarry. If they were to move in together would their remaining years beany different than if they were the same age and married? T

    That'swhy by eliminating all definitionsfor marriage, rightscan be extended to any pair of people regardless ofwhether the bond was marriage. non-married straight intimacy, non-married gay intimacy. lifelong non-intimate friendships, or siblings with no wish to remarry.
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    First of all you might have heard of the marriage penalty on income tax. Secondly, regardless, what make you think that you can put a price tag on equal rights.?
     
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    that married couples have the option of filing filing separately nullifies your first comment. the progressives running the DOT and EPA (into the ground) putting dollar values on ppl's LIVES nullifies your second.
     
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    The fact that you think that you can enjoy benefits that you would deny to others because you disapprove of them NULLIFIES YOU as a human being.
     
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    How about we just abolish all marriage tax breaks then, except for the ones meant to help children.,
     
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    So you would penalize all those who do not have children by raising taxes on them. Those having children, married or not would get a tax break? Brillllllllli-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaant!!! That should work wonders for the economy and for the financial well being of families who might have children at a future time. Not to mention exacerbating the problem of children born to single women. And this addresses the issue of SSM how, exactly??
     
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    Making me pay more than my fair share of taxes just so you don't have to pick up as much slack is extreme selfishness.
     
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    Do you mean eliminating the marriage license (as opposed to marriage the social institution)? Well sure, you could do that too. So long as you eliminated it equally for everyone. But as long as the license exists, however, the definition must meet the standards of the Constitution.
     
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